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my first time on here. Am looking for support.

 



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Hello Lynn.

               If you have an issue with alcohol , you have come to the right people .

I reckon , EVERYONE on this forum was in Your shoes , if you have any . Yes some

of us did Not . But , we were all concerned & confused for OUR future .

WE Support each other & help each other When we can , sometimes , by just

"being there" . Most of us Also RELY on a "Higher Power" .

Lynn , WE also had to give Time , time . Yes time for us to . PUT ourSelf back together.

Please hang in there Lynn.

 



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What can we help you with? Do you think you might have a drinking problem? What have you tried to do about it so far, and how did it go?



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All of our problems become temporary because of and with help from other recovering alcoholics.  Try using trust here and see what happens.   ((((hugs)))) smile



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Welcome to MIP just4me, ... All you need to do here is point us in the direction you need help with ... we're just standing by to help ...


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Thank you to all who replied. Every bit of what each of you had to say resonates, and makes a difference. I have never tired to get help before. I always drank socially however, now I find myself binge drinking and its interfering with everyday life. I find myself feeling lonely when I'm sober and angry when I'm drunk! I am a college educated women who took Psychology and knows way to much about addiction to find myself in this position. I find myself, in moments of sobriety, realizing this is not what I want for the rest of my life and that I'm getting worse as time goes by. For instance it takes longer to recover, it's no longer to socialize, and It is making me sick on a weekly basis sometimes twice a week!!! I am simply looking for some kind of support from somewhere!!!
Thanks again for taking the time to read about my story!          



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Yes, that sounds familiar. It sounds like the standard progression for people like us who have this condition. If you are like us, the fact is that you can't go back and become a normal occasional social drinker again. What you CAN do is get sober and stay sober, and there is a way to do it that is far, far better than simply trying to 'white knuckle it' and remain abstinent from alcohol by sheer personal will power. 

There IS help available, and you will find it in meetings of AA. The people there have all been where you are now and they will be happy to help show you how they got sober, because that's what other people in AA did for them.

Have you ever had any experience with AA? Any questions about it? Would you like any assistance finding meetings?



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Yes, assistance would be great! Am hoping to go to a meeting but am having a hard time imagining my life without alcohol.  I guess I am looking for a place to start. A meeting....... some support. I still have mixed emotions, and there are other factor like I am not the only one with an addiction problem in the picture.  So asking for help feels so defeating at this point but its better now than later!!



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Is there anyone on here that can offer some support so that I can put the bottle down, tonight before it's too late??!!

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Sounds like you are right where you need to be to get started : ) Trust me, ALL of us reached that point where we could not imagine life without alcohol, yet we could not bear to face going on with the way things were any longer. When you get a copy of the AA "Big Book" (called simply 'Alcoholics anonymous') you will find that this situation is described precisely right there in the book. It was written by the first 100 people to get sober in AA. 

But life without alcohol is not at all the way we picture it when we are first considering taking action. When I was first thinking about doing something about my drinking, my only reference for what sobriety would feel like was those rare times when I had been able to 'white-knuckle it' for a day or two before starting up again, and I knew that those periods felt horrible.  But sobriety in AA is not like that at all. I've been completely sober for a long time now and this feels NOTHING like those miserable and desperate periods of sheer-willpower abstinence. This is true freedom from active addiction. I don't want to drink, I don't crave it, I don't need it, I don't feel like I'm missing anything, and I'm living a good life full of gratitude for what I have found in AA.

But we're getting ahead of ourselves - all you need to do is find a meeting and go. Get there a little early (it can be more comfortable than walking in when the room is already full). Maybe ask if they need  any help setting up chairs or whatever. It can help you feel more comfortable. Tell them you are new to AA. Get a copy of a local meeting schedule, and get a copy of the AA "Big Book". After the meeting, stick around for a couple of minutes. If someone in the meeting said something that you really appreciated, talk to them afterward. Ask them what other meetings they can recommend, and that way, when you go to that meeting, you'll already know someone. And get a couple of phone numbers from other people, and CALL THEM instead of picking up a drink. Your entire job now is just to get to that first meeting, and don't drink after than meeting, and then do it again tomorrow.  

So what do you think? Want to give it a try?

 

 



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YES, please!!! I am desperate for support!!


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What time zone are you in (what time is it there right now)? And do you know how to find a local meeting or do you need help with that?



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Thanks for you advice, and for taking the time to talk to a fellow stranger!!!

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just4me wrote:

Thanks for you advice, and for taking the time to talk to a fellow stranger!!!


 You're welcome, but that's just what people in AA do for each other. That's what people did for me when I was new.

Do you need any help finding a meeting?



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It is 8:35, am in the Western zone, pretty sure!!! Lol Was given some information the other day for Orange County AA Meetings near me! I am going continue to check it out! And see if I can make a meeting! That's more than I have done in a week, besides drink and recover!!

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Hi just4me, ... It sounds like you have already completed Step 1 of our 12 steps ... good job ... AND, one of the first things I was taught in AA is that we don't think about having to quit drinking 'forever', we just look at it as just for today ... I will not drink just for today ... tomorrow is another day ... so for today, I WILL NOT TAKE A DRINK ...


Love you and God Bless,
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Oh, if you don't have a copy of our BB (Big Book) (ALCOHOLICS ANONYMOUS) ... you can start checking it out here

 


http://www.whytehouse.com/big_book_search/index.asp

 

 

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Big smile here - what a coincidence! I got sober in Orange County CA years ago. It's where I grew up as a kid. I live in northern California now, but I still go down there several times a year to see family and i always stop in at my old 'home group' AA meetings and say 'hi' to all the wonderful friends who helped save my life and then helped me find my way to a whole new life.

I mostly went to meetings in Costa Mesa, Huntington Beach, and Garden Grove. I also found some great meetings a bit further out, in Long Beach and Laguna beach. I think just about everybody in Laguna beach must be in AA!

It's Friday night so I know there are several late night meetings in OC at 10 PM and even midnight. Instead of trying to get through another night of either white-knuckling it, or giving up and drinking again, why not look in the meeting directory and find a meeting that you can get to tonight? I encourage you, please, just take that little leap of faith and take that first step. I'll check back here in just a few minutes and see what you found, okay?



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So, I have taken a step and haven't left the house??? I feel motivated!!! I have depression, too!!! At least that what I was diagnosed with when this was the onset of the problem!!!

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just4me wrote:

So, I have taken a step and haven't left the house??? I feel motivated!!! 


 Use that motivation to take action. Here is the on line version of the Orange County meeting directory :

http://www.oc-aa.org/directory/meetings.asp?day=SELECT+A+WEEK+DAY&city=SELECT+A+CITY

 



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What is "White Knuckling It"??? If you don't mind me asking!!

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Sorry, I lost my train of thought ... by all means try to make a meeting tonight ... and if you can't afford a BB, I'm sure they will give you one ... this could very well be the most important decision for you to make in your lifetime ... AA literally saved my life ... and today I have learned to love life without the beer and whiskey ... and like Dave, I don't even think about it ...

I was hopeless in '08 ... and since finding a home with AA, I now have many, many, life long friends that I call my brothers and sisters who all help each other over the ruff spots in life ... there is no need to use alcohol for me any more ... I have much more than I'll ever deserve ...



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just4me wrote:

What is "White Knuckling It"??? If you don't mind me asking!!


 It's a slang phrase meaning when we try to 'just not drink' using nothing but our own will power, with no help from others and no help from any kind of program like AA.

It's difficult, very rarely successful, and extremely uncomfortable. It is NOT the same as true recovery from alcoholism. Alcoholism is serious stuff. Please do not try to do this on your own. Help is available. Make use of it.



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Giving up the alcohol by yourself ... by sheer will-power ... Less than 1 tenth of 1 percent are successful doing it that way ... and you will literally clench your fists and climb the wall doing it that way ... I know, I've tried that many times ...



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I am sorry, mean no disrespect! Just need to learn the terms!!!


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Dave's right!!!



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Don't be afraid to ask us any question that comes to mind ... we're here to help and we wouldn't dare think any less of you ...



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I am sorry, mean no disrespect! Just need to learn the terms!!!


 Oh, no problem at all! I just want you to have the best chance possible of success. Believe me, Pappy and I REALLY KNOW what it feels like to be where you are, and believe me, we want to help you get beyond that point. 

So - there are late night meetings in Costa Mesa on Fridays, are you near there?



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Yes, but hate to admit I'm not willing to drive, cause I am currently not sober!!! Unless it's to get another bottle!!! So it's pathetic, but that's where I am at!!Costa Mesa is not that close, at this point!


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Then for tonight, you could just start reading some of the AA Big Book. And I encourage you to take a look through the directory and find a Saturday morning meeting that you can definitely get to before you start drinking. Very very important. Don't put this off until Saturday evening, okay?



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I agree 100% with Dave here ... and try not consider alcohol like other drugs ... other drugs are bad, for sure, but alcohol is cunning, baffling, and powerful ... don't underestimate it's power to hold you in its grip ... it will convince you to drive to go get more when you've had too much ... and that my friend can, and will cause irreversible damage ... the damage to mind, body, and soul are not conceivable in your condition right now ... please get some sleep and try to make a good decision in the morn'n ...



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Thanks, want you to know that Meth is in my face every day, yet I think I'm better cause I choose to use alcohol instead of Meth, to drown my sorrows. I find myself stuck thinking that this is better, and still know I need to get away completely to have a life! This is my life but I have hope still!!

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Alcoholism is the only disease that convinces the sufferer that they don't have it ... it tells them they do not need help, that you can quit anytime you want to ... I very nearly died think'n that ... Alcohol will make you feel like you're going to hell, and then make you look forward to the trip ... it makes you into a different person, one that most people cannot stand to be around ... it makes you fall in love with the stuff so that you are incapable of loving anything else or anyone else ... it will make you want to isolate yourself so as to feel a loneliness no human being should ever experience ...

Please let us in... we can help if you'll just open the door and open your mind ... we truly are "Miracles In Progress" here ... and you can be too ...


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My husband would be so mad! He takes the money when I call him out he manipulates me and I am at the point now where I drink enough I fight back with words!!! Although, I have had my nose and head busted open, I stay! Like I said their are multiple issues!!

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Hi just4me,

I have to log off now, so let's all get back in touch here again tomorrow, okay? Here's a little friendly challenge - find a meeting near you that happens on Saturday in the morning or maybe at noon, and go check it out, and come on back here and tell us how it went, okay? We're rooting for you! 



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Joining AA can be a first step in solving those type problems too ... it has for thousands, no, millions of sufferers ... just so you know, AA is not a religious group at all, but we are a group that uses a 'higher power' for our recovery ... an individual will chose a power greater than themselves for the purpose of recovery ... and through working the steps, we achieve an awareness that WE are not in control, something in control of the universe is ... so we look to that power to help us recover ...

I don't know what's in the cards for your husband and you, but I do know our way of life will solve a lot of your problems dealing with life in general ... what you can do is try it ... if it don't work, we'll refund your current misery with interest ... way I see it, what have you got to lose, except your current miserable state of living ... we offer a solution ... AND, it's free ... oh, you can contribute a dollar now and then if you want, but it is FREE ... ... ...



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Yeah, same here ... it's 12:10 a.m. here ... I need my beauty sleep too ... Lord knows Dave needs his, LOL ... Try an A.M. meeting or at least a noon meeting and let us know how it went ...


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Thank You for still listening!! Your advice has not gone un listened to!!! I guess I am hoping someone will tell me that the load is not mine to bear, since my husband does meth, and I subdue with alcohol, cause that's better!!??? Yet not a question!!!???l. But I already know I need to grow up and be the adult. Thank you for listening again!!










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Welcome - I think you are going to like AA. It will be work and it will be scary at first. I don't know if your marriage will be conducive to sobriety but this is your life....not his. What you described was similar to the relationship I was in right before coming to AA. My drinking was all mixed up in someone else's addiction also (in this case another alcoholic). I did use that dysfunctional relationship and the depression and sense of doom surrounding it as an excuse to drink. I did that all the way until I couldn't stand it any longer. No matter what, some support from sober folks seems like it would be a huge help.

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Hey just4me, ... I'm a little anxious to know how things turned out this a.m. ... ... ... I know it's still early out there in your area, but just wanted to know how your day is going when you feel like posting again ...


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So it's only 12:30 and the cops have been at my house, never had this experience before. I am going to be frank, my husband uses Meth, and I try to drown it out with alcohol. If he gets to be numb why shouldn't I? Except one is no better than the other. The cops came and said it was a family dispute and that it was probably cause I drank too much. This might be my rock bottom???? But I am still stuck on, why should it all be on me??? I guess I should just grow up?

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See, that's what our alcoholism tells us - 'he gets to be numb, why can't I do that too?' as if his meth use was some wonderful thing. We 'romance' the idea of drinking or using. But the truth is that, for people like us, who have gotten to the point where you are now, drinking and using isn't a 'party' any more. If it were still just carefree fun with no consequences, none of us would have ever even thought about getting sober, and you never would have written your first comment on this site. But alcoholism is a progressive condition. Over time, it stops giving us the sense of real relief and relaxation that it once did, and it just causes more and more chaos and dread in our lives and it makes us feel just horrible about ourselves.

My suggestion is - for now - just for today - don't pay attention to him and his using and whether he's having a great time or whether he's miserable. That is HIS business. Just for today, get to an AA meeting. Do it for YOU.  Tell them you are new and you want to do something about your drinking and that you need help. That is the ONLY thing you need to be concerned about right now. We're all rooting for you. Go ahead and do something really good for yourself and get to the meeting.  Then come on back here and tell us all how it went.



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Wow, ... well, there's not any 'good' reason, or excuse to continue to abuse alcohol ... King alcohol will tell you there is and tell you you have to keep drink'n ...9like we discussed last night ...

When a person starts to drink daily, they stop 'maturing', meaning if you start drinking at 18, and stop when you're 38, then you will have the maturity of an 18 year old at the age of 38 ... so, growing up would be a nice start, and to do that, you need to accept some responsibility and just do it ...

Alcohol will never solve a problem, it only makes matters worse ... we have the solution for you to start enjoying life ... it's free and it's simple ... your choice ...


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My advice is you need to look out for yourself. This has nothing to do with "growing up", or which is worse, drugs or alcohol. Many people in AA are addicted to both. If you've had enough and want to get out of the unending cycle of drinking, getting drunk, coming to the next morning and saying you're not going to do it again, you need to get yourself to an AA meeting. This is the point in your life, where if you're ready, you need to be selfish, take care of yourself and get help. People who drink socially do not have the cops coming to their house due to family disputes. You keep hammering on the fact that your husband is a drug user. Only he can get help for himself, you worry about you and stop making excuses for not being at a meeting, or you can continue on as things are and see what happens, but I doubt it will be anything good. Best wishes.

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Sister I'm glad you found the board and had the moxie to sit listen and learn.  You've gotten a bunch of information including what you got from the police.  Understand the best information you're going to get is from the alcoholic/addict who are actively learning how to get away and stay away from alcohol and drugs.   We pulled away and then put buffers between us and the disease such as meetings and fellowships and sponsorships and literature and more.  Many of us left abusive and often life threatening relationships not to mention the one we had with the chemicals we use.   Alcoholism is a fatal disease that cannot be cured; only arrested by total abstinence.  If not arrested it will progress into insanity and then death...part of the insanity we go thru. 

You sound intuitive and like me a analytical and however I analyzed to much in the wrong direction only stopping and redirection when I learned that alcohol is a mind and mood altering chemical.   I investigated that information and came to understand that when I drank my head didn't work properly and I wasn't knowing it.  There was so much for me to learn that I might get the picture right and then come to understand I there never was a time where I should reasonably drink.  I was brought to sanity and as you follow up with what we practice as our 12 steps you will find that word the last word of our second step.

You are dealing with an abusive addict also which obscures the condition even more.   I am alcoholic and my last marriage was with and alcoholic addict there was no way to not have that result in any form of sanity I came to find out...it was even beyond luck.  I had to take the suggestion of getting into the program as you have received here and to want peace of mind and serenity more than anything else available.

I'm in support as the rest of the MIP fellowship is.   ((((hugs)))) smile 



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