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Hi all, Im new to this board an AA; sober since September 15th this time and for good.

A little background on me without going into too much detail. I have been an alcoholic since the first time I had a drink which was about thirty years ago. For the first few years it wasnt much of an issue because I was underage and really didnt have much access to alcohol, but if I could get my hands on it I would drink till I passed out or could not find anything else to drink. When I was nineteen I started dating a girl who was older than me so for about the last twenty five years its been a daily routine for me to drink till I pass out. Its always been pretty bad but I guess you could have called me a functioning alcoholic. In the last 3 or 4 years though its spiraled out of control and just kept getting worse until I was hospitalized for the second time within a month from drinking and this time my kidneys were shutting down.

 

From what I have encountered so far is that most people seem to struggle with free time and find it easier to stay sober when they stay busy. For me though it is the exact opposite. As long as I am just hanging around the house or more specifically unemployed I dont have any desire to drink. I've lost five jobs in the last two and a half years (three since January) due to alcohol; stayed sober while unemployed (No drinks No weed). Then as soon as I get an offer and pass the drug test I would start burning the weed. That would seem to satisfy for the first two or three weeks of the job, but usually the second of third Friday of being employed I would tell myself, Youre doing great at this job and you havent had a drink in almost two months now. This time you know you cant over do it. You know what happens when you do so be careful, but if you never buy more than a pint youll be OK Without fail within two weeks of buying that first pint I would be back to drinking non-stop from the minute I got off work till late into the night, often having to have a couple of drinks in the morning just to fight of the feelings of withdrawal. Inevitably leading to some ridiculous behavior sabotaging my employment. I have finally come to the realization that I have to stop smoking weed because as much as I enjoy it, it doesnt get me where I want to be..Numb, and it leads me right back to the bottle. I am not ready emotionally to go back to work at all, but the reality is that I have exhausted all of my financial resources and if I want to keep my house, car, and keep eating I need to find a job.

 

Im guessing I will get some suggestions to find a meeting to go to everyday when I get off work, but to be honest that just isnt going to happen. I have pretty severe social anxiety and really hate to leave my house at all. I just started on some meds yesterday and hopefully they will help with that issue, but still I just dont see myself attending meetings everyday. I would like to hear anyone's experience that is similar to mine in the sense that keeping busy seems to be more of a trigger that just sitting around the house.

 

 

Thanks all,



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THIS PART is the key:

"usually the second of third Friday of being employed I would tell myself, Youre doing great at this job and you havent had a drink in almost two months now. This time you know you cant over do it. You know what happens when you do so be careful, but if you never buy more than a pint youll be OK"

It doesn't have anything to do with whether you are working or not. The problem is that you have still been believing the Big Lie that alcoholism tells people like us - the lie that somehow, some day you will somehow be able to control and enjoy your drinking and using, and that THIS time it will be different, so you go ahead and try it again. 

Alcoholics can only recover through complete abstinence, one day at a time. If the alcoholism in your head is still lying to you about that (and it sure sounds like it is), and you are still actually LISTENING to that lie and BELIEVING it and taking action on it, then you have not developed an understanding of STEP ONE.

Get yourself an AA Big Book and read it and learn what alcoholism really is, how it really works, and what you really have to do to recover from this condition. And yes, get yourself to some AA meetings so you can get help from other people who have been through this and who can offer you their experience, strength and hope. This is not the kind of thing that you should try to handle on your own. Help is available. Take advantage of it. Yes, it's going to be very uncomfortable to walk into that meeting. Do it anyway.



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Thanks davep12and12, I appreciate your response and you are correct I am still having a problem with the first step. I know it logically in my head it's just hard to accept emotionally in my heart. That's one of the things that bothers me the most. I'm a pretty smart guy, and know a lot of the things I should be doing that I'm not doing and I mean that about multiple areas of my life. I have forced myself to go to two AA meetings a week and I have also enrolled in an outpatient program where I attend two group meetings a week as well and have started going to church on Sunday's. These are all things I have to force myself to do because I really get pretty freaked out being around people. Supposedly the outpatient program is going to be getting me approved for some one on one counselling shortly which I hope will help me work through some of my isolation issues. If I had my druthers I would be able to turn invisible when ever I had to go out in public. I know I should go early and hang around for awhile after the meetings/church ends, but I just get a feeling of almost panic and end up getting out of either the meetings, group, or church like my pants are on fire. It's almost funny in a sick way how I'm always in a hurry to get out of where ever I am but I have no place to go, if that makes any sense.



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That desire to bolt out of the meeting is not too unusual. Something that helped me in those early meetings was to get there a little early when there was only a few people there (it felt more comfortable than showing up at the last minute when there was already a big crowd) and then ask them if there was something I could to help them set up the meeting. Setting up chairs, making coffee, whatever was needed. It was way more comfortable to have something to do, and it made it easier to talk to people. Then I did the same thing at the end of the meeting, offering to help clean up.

It's also a good way to start looking for a sponsor. Find someone in the meetings who has been sober for a few years and who has worked all 12 steps and who has a degree of serenity and comfort in their life without drugs or alcohol, and ask them to show you how they did it and ask them to help you go through the 12 steps.

Regarding STEP ONE - read about it in the AA Big Book. Pay attention to stuff like the analogy of the "problem jaywalker" in chapter 3, "More About Alcoholism".  He's this guy who just has no ability to jaywalk successfully - he gets run over and hospitalized over and over again. But that's not the insane part - the insanity is that instead of realizing that he has no ability to jaywalk successfully and realizing that he needs to stop jaywalking completely, he keeps lying to himself that THIS time will be different and he keeps trying to figure out how to jaywalk...

That's us. Our alcoholism lies to us about our drinking and using and it tells us that we don't really have to stop completely and stay stopped, and that THIS time it will be different, even though we have an entire lifetime of evidence that this idea is complete bullshit. Until I really got honest with myself about my drinking and really came to understand how this denial and insane alcoholic thinking operated, I could not accept that I was really an alcoholic and that I really was someone who lacked the ability to successfully control and enjoy my drinking, and that I would never be able to successfully drink or use and therefore I was someone who MUST stay sober one day at a time, no matter what. THAT was Step One.   



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Welcome to MIP Dirty Red, ... glad you found us ...

I agree totally with what Dave has expressed ... and I suspect the feel'n of anxiety and panic in public may stem from the fear that others may fig'r out exactly 'who' you are, an alkie just like the rest of us ... I know I had that feel'n early on ... your drink'n pattern resembled my own very closely ... multiple jobs ... sober up for a while then repeat the whole eff'n process ...

My last drink'n days caught me unable to stand for even a few minutes, hospitalized with liver failure ... I was one sick puppy ... this is when it came to me that if I go any lower, I'm dead, period ... even had thoughts of suicide to get it 'over with' ... but I couldn't get rid of the thought of the impact that would have on what few friends and family I had left ... NO ONE ever wanted to be around me any more, and that's the way I had come to like it ... truly sad indeed ... I believe that was the most 'hopeless' feel'n I've ever had in my life ...

AA and the lessons I learned from the BB, saved me from certain doom ... the miracle did happen for me and the desire to drink was taken away from me ... and now, even go'n through some uncertain times, I enjoy a life I never knew possible ... drink'n made me dead to others AND to myself ... the BB has promises to us if we work the program, one of which is as follows:

If we are painstaking about this phase of our development, we will be amazed before we are half way through. We are going to know a new freedom and a new happiness. We will not regret the past nor wish to shut the door on it. We will comprehend the word serenity and we will know peace. No matter how far down the scale we have gone, we will see how our experience can benefit others. That feeling of uselessness and self-pity will disappear. We will lose interest in selfish things and gain interest in our fellows. Self-seeking will slip away. Our whole attitude and outlook upon life will change. Fear of people and of economic insecurity will leave us. We will intuitively know how to handle situations which used to baffle us. We will suddenly realize that God is doing for us what we could not do for ourselves.
Are these extravagant promises? We think not. They are being fulfilled among us sometimes quickly, sometimes slowly. They will always materialize if we work for them.

Only you can make the decision as to whether or not you can take step 1 ... no one can make that choice for you ... I made the choice to admit complete defeat as only a dying man can do ...


Love ya and God Bless,
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Excellent post pappy and everyone. Welcome to mip red. There is no promise it will be easy... but we can promise it will be worth it. You are worth it. You've survived this for this long for a reason. I'm guessing you have the ability to do amazing things to get numb... With your smarts and what not. Put that same effort into aa and you've got it right and you'll find your way out of all this including your social anxiety. Don't rule out the ppossibility of that just being a symptom of the mental aspect of addiction and the root causes that brought you to a point of feeling the only way to survive life is to check out of most of it. I identify with that and am free of all that today. Keep posting. Xxx



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Welcome to the forum, DR. It appears you have some good insights on yourself and your recovery. As has been mentioned, AA meetings are usually desirable. You might consider online meetings such as those at: 

http://aaonline.net

Whatever you decide to do, you pretty much have to make recovery priority No. 1 in your life.

Good luck.

 



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Welcome to the board, Dirty Red.  Glad to have you.  The suggestions that have been given to you are all excellent.  None of the things you'll need to do will be easy, but I'm guessing that drinking and using has not been easy for you either, or you wouldn't be posting here.  We've all been where you're at....lost jobs, lost relationships, lost finances, and so on.  Keep posting and keep sharing.  But, above all....keep listening.

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DR...I will bet the farm that your anxiety is largely a byproduct of your alcoholism. If you let it keep you from meetings, that is just continuing to let the disease control you. This is going to involve growing in ways that are uncomfortable but needed.

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Thank you all for the support and encouragement. Today has been a really long but good day. Church in the morning, then to Dad's for lunch, and from there to Mom's for dinner. Just getting home now, but I'll post more later or tomorrow about why it was a good day, for now I just want to rest. At Mom's there were five little one's all age five and under who where all extra hyped and loud today, and my daily headache is getting the best of me right now.

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Glad you had a good day ... stick around and that may just become the 'norm' ...



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I just wanted to share a little about why I said yesterday was a good day. When church ended instead of rushing out the door like I wanted to do I went into the prayer room. I met two guys in there and shared with them about the problems I was going through and my difficulty in meeting and interacting with new people. They suggested that I join one of the house churches (basically an in home bible study). I told them I would be interested in that and had actually checked it out on the church's website and there was one that was not too far from my house. They asked if it would be OK if they went and tried to find the man whose house it was held at and introduce me to him. I said that would be great. Anyway, it must have been meant to be because he was a form employ of Tampa Crossroads which is a local recovery organization. He was so excited and supportive; he truly seemed to understand what a vital time in my life this was with just 20 days of sobriety and having finally admitting that I need to seek help with my recovery. I told him about the outpatient program I am in and how it has been a struggle to get approved for some one on one counselling and said that if it wasn't approved soon he knew some people that he could reach out that would more than likely be willing to help me. I am so excited because I know this will be a way for me to make some friends and actually become a part of the fellowship of the church instead of just going, listening and then leaving I am going to be able to have relationships with people who can help me grow spiritually.

 

Also I had a realization as to what may be the main cause of my wanting to drink so badly when I get off work. You see when I am working I am a totally different person than I am in my personal life. I have always been in either sales or customer service positions. One of the things I learned years ago is that in order to provide the best service to a customer I needed to find something I liked about them because if I like them I will work harder for them and they will get the level of service they deserve.  Also because I am not me as an individual I am a representation of the company I work for I do not feel the anxiety that I do when having to interact with someone in my personal life. In my personal life my instinct is always to notice what I don't like about people and that is what comes naturally to me. Now all I have to do is start living my life as though I am working for God all the time and how much more confidence will I receive from him than working for any company could give me? 



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Excellent post DR, ... Everything you said tells me you're 'on the right tracks' ...

I only have one caution to make ... TRY to be very careful about 'trying to fig'r the 'why & how' of how you got here, or the reasons for your feelings around people, and simply concentrate on listening to those for whom the program has worked ... I think you're doing great ... but I nearly went over the deep end when analyzing every little bitty thing ... just be careful and try not to 'think' too much, LOL ...

Like a good alcoholic, I could make a 'mountain' out of a 'grain' of sand ... and that can slow 'growth' down ...



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Sounds like positive actions for your spirituality. I don't think it's going to keep you sober though. If church and bible study were enough to keep us sober, we would not be in AA. Go to meetings and get a sponsor. Yes, meeting friends in the church fellowship is good. It is not the same as having contacts, a sponsor, and involvement in the fellowship of AA. You will also not learn and complete the steps in bible study.

As far as your ruminations about why it's so difficult for you to work and stay sober. I believe you are probably somewhat accurate in your perceptions, but most of it is probably due to simply having more stress when working and deeply engrained patterns of wanting to "reward" yourself and "relax" after work when you have not developed other copings skills.

So...I am still hearing attempts to avoid AA and AA meetings. Maybe you can do this through church, but that has not been successful for most people I have seen.

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Hi Dirty Red, Very glad to hear that things are going well, and that's good news about your progress with building connections with others. Sounds like a very good day indeed!

But as others have done, I must offer you some caution based on my own experiences. First - unless the people in your church group are sober alcoholics, they will not be able to offer you help based on their own experiences of getting sober and staying sober. Yes, they are surely great folks and it's good to build connections with all kinds of people who can encourage us, but to get help with our alcoholism, we need direct help from people who KNOW what it means to be an alcoholic and who have personal experience with successfully staying sober. Other types of support can be a good thing, and they can be a good ADDITION to getting help from successfully sober alcoholics, but they cannot be a SUBSTITUTE for this very crucial personal experience.

Second, I strongly agree with pythonpappy about 'overthinking' all of the stuff about 'WHY am I an alcoholic', especially during those early days of sobriety. Here's another analogy: Being 20 days sober is like still being inside a house that is on fire. Now is NOT the time to conduct a detailed investigation to try to figure out exactly how the fire started! Now is the time to take certain very important actions and GET TO SAFETY, like going to AA meetings regularly and OFTEN and building connections with sober alcoholics who can help you stay sober one day at a time using the 12 steps. That is where the experience is, and that is where your best chances for surviving alcoholism will be found.  Good luck! And please keep posting.



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