I heard from a few AA'ers varying views about the third step. I've finished this step and am just curious what some of you might think......
Some said that they believe that the Third Step can only be worked once. That if you turn your will over to God (or your HP) you cannot take your will back and even if you have completed the other steps and still have problems with wanting to drink, questioning whether you can stay sober, etc., then it is because you haven't worked your third step properly in the first place--(even if you have years of sobriety).
Okay...I got to thinking....does that mean, since the steps are supposed to be worked in order....if this is correct, then you have to go back and start at Step 1, or do you start at Step 3...and then once doing this do you have to do the rest of the steps all over again?????
Right now I feel like I did work Step Three the right way. However, I have had some days (you regulars on here already know this about me..) where I was afraid I would slip. Does this mean that I didn't work Step Three correctly and how do I do so if not????
Thanks much.
(Hey, and you know I just couldn't let you all down and just had to post for today, given my attention-seeking needs which I had pointed out to me. I'm so glad there are those who are so perfect out there that they have decided to make me their service work project. Service on! I obviously need it!
BTY
-- Edited by betterthanyesterday52 on Thursday 5th of June 2014 08:57:31 AM
Step 3 Made a decision to turn our will and our lives our to the care of God as we understood Him.
If the writer of a textbook has an understanding of a word, but the reader of the book has a DIFFERENT understanding of the SAME word, then the information that comes through will be garbled and incomplete. There are three words in the "lampshade on the wall" version of Step Three that are important to understand.
Most people think that the Third Step says that we turn our will and our life over to the care of God. But it doesn't say that. What it says is that we MAKE A DECISION to turn my will and life over to the care of God. So the first word that needs to be understood is the word DECISION, which is defined as "making up one's own mind." Let's say my car breaks down. Although the DECISION to get my car fixed is a vital and crucial step, that decision alone does not get the car fixed. I will ALSO need to take the actions necessary to get it fixed. For any decision to mean ANYTHING, it ALWAYS requires further action.
If we decide, or make up our own mind, to turn our will and our life over to the care of God as we understand God, that decision ALONE will not turn it over. We will have to take the actions necessary to turn it over. The first three Steps are designed to bring us to the point where we become WILLING to turn our will and our lives over to the care of a Higher Power, Steps Four through Nine are HOW we turn our will and our life over, by removing the blocks that prevent us from actually doing so; and the last three Steps are how we KEEP our will and our lives turned over to God indefinitely. After a period of time though, our ego (or self-will) begins to reassert itself again; and because of our "human-ness", we fall short in maintaining perfect spiritual focus in all of our thoughts and activities. That is why , even if we have worked the first nine Steps to the best of our ability once and are living in Steps Ten, Eleven and Twelve, we will still need to eventually go back to Step One and begin the Steps cycle again and again for deeper awakenings and further growth in other areas where we have God blocked off that we may not be currently aware of.
The other two words that are important to understand are the words WILL and LIVES. The words "will" and "lives" are concepts way over our head and are way too large to relate to or comprehend. But these words can be better understood by explaining that our will is our thinking and what motivates us, and that our life is all the actions that we've taken up to this moment. That explanation makes the words a little more down to earth and easier to comprehend. So the Third Step can then be reworded as saying that I decide to take the actions necessary to turn my motivations, my thinking, and my actions over to the care of God as I understand Him. Also, what motivates me drives my thinking and my thinking directs my actions, so I need to go deeper than just acting my way into right thinking. If my motivation and thinking is God-directed, I will make the right decisions (whether it seems that way at the time or not), then the actions taken will also be right. But if my motivation and thinking is self-directed, I will usually make the wrong decisions (even though I may not realize it at the time), then the actions taken will probably also be wrong.
The Third Step in the "Big Book" begins just below the middle of page 60. How do we know that? Well, in this case, the "Big Book" authors tell us:
"Being convinced, we were at Step Three,..."
Convinced of what? If we've taken Steps One and Two, we are convinced that we are alcoholics and that a Power greater than ourselves can restore us to sanity. Sometimes the word "sanity" is misunderstood. Other words that capture the essence of what is being said here are restore us to reality, or restore us to honesty, or restore us to peace of mind or restore us to balance; whichever you prefer. Now we need to get out of the way and let God direct our lives.
On pages 60 through 63, the 'Big Book" authors discuss self-will and God's Will in great detail. At the bottom of page 60, paragraph 4, they explain we are like actors trying to control every detail of a play:
"The first requirement (please notice that it says "requirement" not "suggestion") is that we be convinced that any life run on self-will can hardly be a success. On that basis we are almost always in collision with something or somebody, even though our motives are good. Most people try to live by self-propulsion (not just alcoholics but MOST people). Each person is forever trying to arrange the lights, the ballet, the scenery and the rest of the players in his own way. If his arrangements would only stay put, if only people would do as he wished, the show would be great. Everybody, including himself, would be pleased. Life would be wonderful. In trying to make these arrangements our actor may sometimes be quite virtuous. He may be kind, considerate, patient, generous; even modest and self-sacrificing. On the other hand, he may be mean, egotistical, selfish and dishonest. But, as with most humans, he is more likely to have varied traits."
"What usually happens? The show doesn't come off very well. He begins to think life doesn't treat him right. He decides to exert himself more. He becomes, on the next occasion, still more demanding or gracious, as the case may be. Still the play does not suit him. Admitting he may be SOMEWHAT at fault, he is SURE that OTHER people are MORE to blame. He becomes angry, indignant, self-pitying. What is his basic trouble? Is he not really a self-seeker even when trying to be kind? Is he not a victim of the delusion that he can wrest (which means "take away by force") wrest satisfaction and happiness out of this world if he only manages (or manipulates) well? Is it not evident to all the rest of the players that these are the things he wants? And do not his actions make each of them wish to retaliate, snatching all they can get out of the show? Is he not, even in his BEST moments, a producer of confusion rather than harmony?"
Does anyone here NOT relate to this page?
We seem to be always trying to prove to everyone else that they would be better off if they just did things OUR way. I'm sure you'll agree that that's a bit of self-centeredness and a form of playing God. I think the word that comes to mind is "manipulation", but you can call it whatever you want.
In the first paragraph on page 62, the authors declare that it is this selfish and self-centeredness that has gotten us into trouble. We need to take responsibility for our selfishness and ask God to remove this shortcoming from our lives. Page 62, paragraph 1:
"Selfishness-self-centeredness! That, we think, is the ROOT of our troubles. (And I always thought that ALCOHOL or other people was my problem.) Driven by a hundred forms of fear, self-delusion, self-seeking and self-pity, we step on the toes of our fellows and they retaliate. Sometimes they hurt us, seemingly without provocation, but we invariably (which means "constantly") find that at some time in the past we have made decisions based on self which later placed us in a position to be hurt."
"So our troubles, we think, are basically of our own making. (This brings a message of hope because it is neither necessary nor possible to change others. But if we, with God's help, can change ourselves, we will find that no other changes are needed. If other people or life were to blame for our troubles, there is absolutely nothing we can do about that. But if I am to blame for almost all of my troubles, there is something I can do about that because I am the only person that I can change. Like a wise man once said, "It is easier to put on slippers than to carpet the whole world." The book continues.) They arise out of ourselves, and the alcoholic is an extreme example of self-will run riot, though he usually doesn't think so. (It's important to know that this includes before we started drinking, while we were drinking, and even prior to taking Step Three since we've STOPPED drinking.) ABOVE EVERYTHING, we alcoholics MUST be rid of this selfishness. (Please notice that it says, "above everything" and "must.") We MUST, or it kills us! God makes that possible. And there often seems no way of entirely getting rid of self without His aid. Neither could we reduce our self-centeredness much by wishing or trying on our own power. We HAD to have God's help."
So it's saying that the ONLY thing that we have going for us, which is self-will and self-knowledge, or MY life run on MY will, is the VERY THING that will lead us back to drinking (at best) or progressive misery as time passes (at worst). Let me repeat that. So it's saying that the ONLY thing that we have going for us, which is self-will, or MY life run on MY will, is the VERY THING that leads us back to drinking and/or progressive misery. If we are trying to make ourselves "un-self-centered", we are STILL being self-centered. A self-will problem cannot overcome self-will, a sick mind cannot heal a sick mind, we cannot USE the problem to SOLVE the problem. That gets rid of any hope we have of not pursuing this Higher Power stuff. Now what? Since Step One says that we are powerless over alcohol, what we need is the Power with a capital "P". And since our lives are unmanageable (especially our mental/emotional/spiritual life, whether we are drinking or not), what we need is a new Manager with a capital "M". Because anything at all that God has in mind for me is better than anything at all that I will EVER have in mind for me!
So the AA program ultimately asks us to make TWO surrenders, not just one. We need to surrender to our drinking alcohol (we do this in Step One), but we also need to surrender to our self-will (or "my life run on my will", and we do THIS in Step Three). Unfortunately, many members of AA only make the first surrender and inevitably do not experience all the freedom, joy and serenity that the AA way of life promises. Because of not surrendering their self-will, they are often miserable and/or go back to drinking.
Then at the bottom of page 62, the authors tell us what we have to do in order to rid ourselves of selfishness:
"This is the how and why of it. First of all, we HAD to quit playing God. It didn't work. Next, we decided that hereafter in this drama of life, God was going to be our Director. He is the Principal; we are His agents. He is the Father, and we are His Children. Most good ideas are simple, and this concept was the keystone of the new and triumphant arch through which we passed to freedom."
For those who do not know, the keystone is the supporting stone for the ENTIRE structure, so the Third Step decision is the supporting Step for the rest of the Steps. Now this decision is starting to sound important. The Big Book just stated that we need to let God become our Director, so we need to be doing what we think our Higher Power would have us do. In other words, we need to be staying in the moment, being directed by unselfishness and love, and doing the next right thing. It also says that we need to move in the direction of being God's agent, and since an agent is given the power to represent the Principal, we are deciding to start acting in a way that would represent our Highest Power. It then mentions being God's children, and if we are all God's children, we need to start acting as if we are ALL equal brothers or sisters. So you can see that this paragraph says a lot, and actually contains the essence of what the Third Step decision is all about. The book continues and this next paragraph contains the Third Step Promises.
"When we SINCERELY took such a position (the position of God being our Director, our Principle and our Father), all sorts of remarkable things followed. We had a new Employer. Being all powerful, He provided what we needed, IF we kept close to Him AND performed His work well."
So, now we know our place in God's Universe. Contrary to what we may have thought in the past, the whole world does not revolve around US. Once we step aside and put GOD in the center, we are amazed at how much better our lives become.
In the Second Step, we are told that we need to come up with some sort of "God of our understanding" or "Power greater than ourselves." A.A. gives us a lot of respect by allowing us to believe whatever we wanted to believe about this Power. But there is a little unseen footnote next to Step 2 that states, "So long as WE are not it!" The Big Book says again and again that my belief that the universe revolves around ME is a big part of my problem, so this "center of my universe" needs to be replaced with some belief in a Power greater than human power. Then in Step 3, it introduces us to an important attribute that this Power needs to have when it says, "...the CARE of God as we understood Him." So our concept of the Power now needs to include the fact that this "God" cares and is caring. This may be difficult for many of us because our original concept of our Creator may have been more along the line of a "judgmental, harsh, He's going to get me, something to be feared" kind of God. We may need to completely scrap these old ideas and start over because this isn't the kind of Higher Power that one turns to for help.
By now, we have moved toward becoming more aware of the presence of God. Starting with line five on page 63, the authors explain this awareness. These are also more Third Step Promises:
"Established on such a footing, we became less and less interested in ourselves, our little plans and designs. More and more we became interested in seeing what we could contribute to life. As we felt new power flow in, as we enjoyed peace of mind, as we discovered we could face life successfully, as we became conscious of His presence, we began to lose our fear of today, tomorrow or the hereafter. We were reborn."
We have been delivered from the gates of Hell, and we have come back to tell what it was like. It isn't a pretty picture. But, now we realize we never have to go back there again, as long as we don't forget to allow God to be our Director.
It is decision time once again. "The Big Book" authors tell us we are now ready to take Step Three. The middle paragraph on page 63 contains the Third Step Prayer. This prayer is an affirmation of the decision we are making at the bottom of page 62. Before we say this prayer together as a group, there are some considerations we need to look at first. About 2/3 of the way down page 63, beginning with the last line of paragraph 2, they provide us with the directions and a warning:
"We thought well before taking this step making sure we were ready; that we could at last abandon ourselves utterly (or completely) to Him.
We found it very desirable to take this spiritual step with an understanding person, such as our wife, best friend, or spiritual adviser. But it is better to meet God alone than with one who might misunderstand. The wording was, of course, quite optional so long as we expressed the idea, voicing it without reservation. This was only a beginning, though if honestly and humbly made, an effect, sometimes a very great one, was felt at once."
We are so fortunate that, in the years since the Big Book was written, the fellowship has grown to where very few, if any, newcomers have to take the Third Step alone. We're here tonight to take this monumental Step with you.
Because it says, "We thought well before taking this step making sure we were ready, that we could at last abandon ourselves utterly (or completely) to God"; we would like to take a moment for personal reflection for those of you taking the Steps with us. Could we please have a moment of silence, for about 10 seconds, to think about whether or not you are ready to decide to turn your will and your life over to the care of the God of your own understanding.
Thank you.
At the bottom of page 63, we can find the last point made about Step Three. The Big Book authors tell us what we need to do after we've made our Third Step decision. It is perhaps the MOST important point made about the Third Step, yet it is rarely discussed at meetings and usually overlooked. It states, "NEXT we launch out on a course of VIGOROUS action, the first step of which is a personal housecleaning, which many of us had NEVER attempted. Though our decision was a vital and crucial step, it could have LITTLE PERMANENT EFFECT unless AT ONCE followed by a STRENUOUS EFFORT to face, AND to be rid of, the things in ourselves which had been blocking us. Our liquor was but a symptom. So we had to get down to causes and conditions."
Please note the authors say AT ONCE. It's telling us that this Third Step decision will have LITTLE permanent effect unless we IMMEDIATELY follow it up with a strenuous effort to face (and where we face these things is in Steps Four, Five and Six), and to be rid of (and where we get rid of these things is in Steps Seven, Eight and Nine), the things in ourselves which had been blocking us (and what we're being blocked off from is the ability to turn our will and lives over to BEGIN with). So after working the six middle Steps, then and ONLY then, will we be able to turn our will and our lives over to God with any kind of consistency, or else our initial contact with our Creator won't last.
Let's see who is ready to proceed.
Please keep in mind that, like we just said, the actions necessary to bring about the Step Three decision are Steps Four through Nine, because Steps Four through Nine are how we remove the blocks from turning our will and life over to God.
This is the Third Step question: "Do you now decide to take the actions necessary to turn your will and your life over to the care of God as you understand Him?"
Please answer yes or no.
Thank you.
Although they say the wording is quite optional, the authors do provide us with a prayer that can be used as a daily affirmation of this Third Step decision. Let's say it out loud, together with at least one other alcoholic. Starting with the second line in the second paragraph on page 63, it reads:
"...God, I offer myself to Thee - to build with me and to do with me as Thou wilt. Relieve me of the bondage of self, that I may better do Thy Will. Take away my difficulties, that victory over them may bear witness to those I would help of Thy Power, Thy Love, and Thy Way of life. May I do Thy Will always!"
Please begin to include saying this Third Step Prayer as part of your daily time with God, and when needed throughout the day.
This attachment has an exercise for coming up with your own Third Step Prayer. Since Step Three says that "the wording is quite optional," why not come up with your own prayer, from your heart & in your own words, as your commitment to God: Step 3 Prayer Exercise
We have now completed all the information that the "Big Book" authors provide for Step Three.
Here are the steps we took, which are suggested as a program of recovery:
BB pg 59
I don't see anything about here are the steps we take. For myself BTY...I made a decision....One of the few in my life Ive stood by. The only reason I see to make this decision again is if I didn't stand by it...Or if I drank. The action in the first 9 steps is action that has been taken...I don't see anywhere that it is suggested to take it again...Unless we drink. I hear people say they need to do a fourth and fifth step again.....
Once we have taken this step, withholding nothing, we are delighted.
BB pg 75
Only reason I can see to take them again is if you were withholding something the first time. If so...You should.
I go by the clear cut directions in the book BTY....If it said I should retake the steps every year I would....Without question. It doesn't...So I don't. I hear things in AA that I can't find in the book....I don't pay much attention to it. It's a good rule to live by.
Wow, ... I loved your reply post Phil ... it's really quite thorough ...
Only thing I'm going to add, is that I really struggled in the beginning ... think I fought this program tooth 'n nail ... I would be fine for a while, then boom, I took my will back, stopped going to meetings, stopped talking to my sponsor, stopped praying ... throwing away months of staying dry ...
I may be wrong, but I was doing great as long as I did all the things we talk about do'n, on a daily basis ... if I go more than a day or two right now without a meeting, or coming here, or even if for some reason I don't get my prayers said, then I feel oddly getting out of control with life ... it's only when I get back on track, that I feel safe with my conscious contact with God ... and He/She speaks to me through you guys ... daily ...
So, I don't think it's a once and done thingy, I need to 'recommit' on a daily basis ... it's called 'living' the steps ... maybe it's just semantics, I don't know ... all I do know is that in the past, I took my will back and headed for the nearest beer store ... threw the steps out the window ... does that mean I never worked them properly ??? who knows, who cares, all I care about is that I start the day off NOW, being conscious of each step ... it's like a daily 're-commitment' ... some religions even have avenues for its members to 'recommit' themselves to the cause when they have strayed from their 'calling' ... for me, that can be as simple as getting my ass to a meeting ...
I mean, come on ... if I drank today ... do I have to repeat all the steps again ??? ... or do I make amends where needed, re-focus, re-dedicate, and pickup where I left off ??? ... I think anyone can make one bad decision, even after working the program ... so, I think it really depends on the person and how well connected they are to their HP ... what's right for you may or may not be what's right for me ... but that doesn't mean I can think I can take a 'day off', drink, then come back and everything be fine, NO, it don't work that way either ... that would mean it was 'premeditated' ...
Okay folks, I think I just went into the 'Twilight Zone' ... I am now suddenly 'brain dead' for some reason ... man, I gotta stop thinking too much ... this program really isn't this hard ... all it takes is willingness and a little action ... 'click'
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'Those who leave everything in God's hand will eventually see God's hand in everything.'
I like that site too, stepchild. Someone referenced it on here a while back and I have been to it many times since then. I am afraid my mind goes into the "Twighlight Zone", too, and although Phil did have a great reply, my mind got a bit into overload and I found it glazing over along with my eyes. I don't cut and paste much from other sites, and try to reference ones I do....some of the folks on here are pretty darned intelligent and it wouldn't be noticed if a reference to a posting was forgotten to be included. If I did that, you guys would prob. know it wasn't me--because I'm just not that smart and continually prove it by some of my postings.
I agree with yu Pappy.....Each day is a daily reprieve depending on our spiritual condition...and doing the DO THINGS...that we have to do individually.....and we never get it perfect...:)
I'm trying to look in the BB for answers ... Bill said in Bill's story: "For a brief moment, I had needed and wanted God. There has been a humble willingness to have Him with me - and He came. But soon the sense of His presence had been blotted out by worldly clamors, mostly those within myself. And so it had been ever since. How blind I had been. At the hospital I was separated from alcohol .... " which shows how Bill turn his life and after that take it back. It's funny, because in BB are all the answers.
p. 85 - It is easy to let up on the spiritual program of action and rest on our laurels. We are headed for trouble if we do, for alcohol is a subtle foe.
For me it is possible (absolutely for alcoholics) to turn our will and life to care of God and after that to try to get them back. For that are inventories. When I see in my day attempts to control someone or something, dishonesty - it's all like I say: God, I'm turning my will and life back on me and just go away. I don't need you!!! I'll control my life. Xaxaxa
It is not funny, but before these things frightened me and I felt guilt. Today I accept my illness and I accept that I'm not perfect, I'm not excellent and I need God in my life.
So, I don't think it's a once and done thingy, I need to 'recommit' on a daily basis ... it's called 'living' the steps ... maybe it's just semantics, I don't know ... all I do know is that in the past, I took my will back and headed for the nearest beer store ... threw the steps out the window ... does that mean I never worked them properly ???
No...It means you stopped working them....Especially the first one.
I hear a lot about taking my will back...I never gave my will away.
They talk about our will on page 85....MOH had the right paragraph.
It is easy to let up on the spiritual program of action and rest on our laurels. We are headed for trouble if we do, for alcohol is a subtle foe. We are not cured of alcoholism. What we really have is a daily reprieve contingent on the maintenance of our spiritual condition. Every day is a day when we must carry the vision of God's will into all of our activities. "How can I best serve Thee - Thy will (not mine) be done." These are thoughts which must go with us constantly. We can exercise our will power along this line all we wish. It is the proper use of the will.
They also talk about it on page 77...What our real purpose is..
Our real purpose is to fit ourselves to be of maximum service to God and the people about us.
To fit ourselves....A lot of people miss that,
I look at the first three steps like this.
Step 1...I don't have the power to solve my problem.
Step 2....I believe there is a power that can solve it...Restore me to sanity.
Step 3....I'm going to let that power help me take the necessary action to solve it. Steps 4 through 9. Once I've made that decision....To do the work.....And I've done the work...Removed what was blocking me from God....Why would I need to make it again?
Steps 10 through 12....I keep myself fit (Spiritually)....I grow(Spiritual progress)....And I share how it works.
If I stop fitting myself to be of maximum service to God and the people about me....I'd say there is a very good chance I will drink.....And that would most likely be the end of me.
I think I'll stick with living life on a spiritual basis.
You are right on the mark here Stepdude, ... as I've said in the past, I came to AA 18, maybe 19 years ago ... but it was only when I maintained my diligent prayer vigil and daily meetings and service work, that I managed to go over 6 years of continuous sobriety ... it seems they wrote that message you posted just for me, cause it so aptly applies ...
Thanks for posting, Pappy
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'Those who leave everything in God's hand will eventually see God's hand in everything.'
Our real purpose is to fit ourselves to be of maximum service to God and the people about us.
To fit ourselves....A lot of people miss that,
I also believe a lot of people miss that, and also it is the 'people about us"- not just alcoholics.
step 3( and al of the steps) can be as complicated as I want to make it or as simple as I want to make it.
my will is my thoughts, my life is my actions. I made a decision to turn em over...and continue with the steps.
however...... one thing God gave me is free will. I can still take it back, when I take back my will( my thoughts) my actions eventually get all jacked up. so I have to turn it back over.
ive had more than few times ive called my sponsor all jacked up-naggin,whining, and/or moanin. he'd listen to me than say,"lets start at step one...."
amazing how the solution comes up that way. other times( when I call when im only half jacked up) it could be,"look at step 10-admit yer human and made a mistake.now go fix it."
when I got into AA I thought the steps were one and done. but ive learned differently. steps 10-12 are a great way to go through the day, but theres times I gotta start from step one. im STILL not a saint!!! which im greatful for. I was one step away from sainthood, then I got into AA and found out( believe it or not) I just had a wee bit of an ego problem. :)
pappy, on that thinkin too much:
come into AA and hear," don't think, don't drink, go to meetings."
go to meetings and see," THINK THINK THINK."
go to meetings and hear,"don't go into your own head with adult supervision."
I also think a lot of people miss...We turn our will and our lives...Over to the care of God.
We still have our thoughts...Our will....And we still have our lives. They're just under new management.
As far as step one goes...These are the clear cut directions....
We learned that we had to fully concede to our innermost selves that we were alcoholics. This is the first step in recovery. The delusion that we are like other people, or presently may be, has to be smashed.
BB pg 30
The day that I chamge my mind on that...I'm in trouble. That's one and done for me.
If I abandon myself to God...As I understand what God is to me. And I clear the wreckage of my past...Steps 2 through 9. I'm promised this.....
We feel as though we had been placed in a position of neutrality - safe and protected. We have not even sworn off. Instead, the problem has been removed. It does not exist for us. We are neither cocky nor are we afraid. That is our experience. That is how we react so long as we keep in fit spiritual condition.
BB pg 85
The problem has been removed...It doesn't exist.
Now you can believe that promise or not....In my case...It came true. The house is clean...I just have to keep it clean.
Step 10 says.....
This thought brings us to Step Ten, which suggests we continue to take personal inventory and continue to set right any new mistakes as we go along. We vigorously commenced this way of living as we cleaned up the past. We have entered the world of the Spirit. Our next function is to grow in understanding and effectiveness. This is not an overnight matter. It should continue for our lifetime. Continue to watch for selfishness, dishonesty, resentment, and fear. (Step 4) When these crop up, we ask God at once to remove them.(Step 7) We discuss them with someone immediately(Step 5) and make amends quickly if we have harmed anyone.(Step 9) Then we resolutely turn our thoughts to someone we can help.(Step 12) Love and tolerance of others is our code.
So we are actually working the steps in step 10...The action steps anyway. That leaves 11...Continue to seek a closer relationship with your HP through prayer and meditation.....And 12...Help others and carry the message. That's the way I was taught and that's how I see it written....If anyone can show me in the book....The directions on precisely how they did it...a different way...I'd like to see it. I guess I look at it like...If the problem has been removed as long as I follow a few simple rules....Why would I have to have it removed again?
-- Edited by Stepchild on Friday 6th of June 2014 01:34:37 PM