I had to write this 'off-line' to insure continuity ... ... ... and many of my opinions and beliefs are similar to that of the author William P. Young ... (from whom I took the liberty to copy certain examples and phrases ...)
Faith, is yours real or true?
To make matters even more convoluted, something might be real but not actually exist at all, ... ... ... while truth remains independent from what is real or perceived to be real ... to my point, there are those who really believe there was no Holocaust, that no one has actually walked on the moon, that the earth is flat, that there are monsters living under the bed ... ... ...
Real to them, ... but not true
Lets just suppose, for the sake of this example, that there is truly a God, ... a Supreme Being ... you say you don't believe any of that stuff... ... ... Well, I'm not trying to convince you of anything ... I am simply positing something to amplify the difference between real and true ... ... ...
So lets suppose this God is good all the time, never a liar, never a deceiver, always a truth-teller ... One day this God comes to you and says this: ... Nothing will ever separate you from my love, neither death nor life, not a messenger from heaven nor a monarch of earth, neither what happens today nor what may happen tomorrow, neither a power from on high nor a power from below, nor anything else in Gods entire created cosmos; ... nothing has the power to separate you from my love ... ... ...
SO, you listen to God tell you this, but you don't believe it ... NOT believing it becomes what is real to you, ... and you then create a world that holds not believing the word of this God, or the love of this God, or even in this God at all, as a fundamental cornerstone of your life's construction ... ... ...
Here's one question nestled among many others: ... Does your inability to believe the word of this God make what this God has said not true? ... ... ...
Let me ask you this ... ... ... If you choose not to believe the word of this God, ... what would you experience in relationship to this God? ... ... ...
Separation?... ... ... You would experience a sense of separation, because separation is what you thought was real ... ... ... Real is what you believe, even if what you believe does not exist ... God tells you that separation is not true, that nothing can really separate you from the love of God ... ... ... not things, behaviors, experiences, or even death and hell, however you choose to imagine it; ... but you believe separation is real, and so you create your own reality based on a lie ... ... ...
Hell is believing and living in the real when it is not the truth ... ... ... Potentially you could do that forever, ... but let me say something that is true, whether or not you choose to believe it, and whether or not it is real to you ... ... ... Whatever you believe about death and hell, it is truly not separation ... ... ...
Whats that old acronym??? ... ... ... S.O.B.E.R.
Son Of a Bitch, Everythings Real
-- Edited by Pythonpappy on Tuesday 26th of February 2013 12:33:11 AM
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wow, that is awesome and i cant believe how my old thinking relates to it! i was amazed sometime in early recovery just how screwed up i myself made this God out to be. what helped me tremendously is a freind asking me similar questions. he didnt tell me how God was. he made me look at it and seek for myself. i love that bastaad friend!LOLOLOLOLOL
I had posted this on a different threat ... thought it might add to this thread ... cause it is something to ponder ...
I read somewhere a description of love something like this;
True love is neither physical nor romantic. True love is an acceptance of all that is, of all that has been, of all that will be, of all that will not be
... ... ... - Anonymous
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