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aww dear Miracles aww.   Please gimmee some-o-your ESH, on Faith in God, during difficult times!   I have the most wonderful faith in God...when life is smooth.   But I have an immediate reflex, in sobriety, during upheaval and sad changes...that God has scooted away to Cleveland, ( He musta, cause how could he let THIS happen????).......I have heard "Footsteps" a hundred times...but I want YOUR experience, with NAILIN' DOWN Faith, even during those sober free-falls (those times, when our  neat rows of ducks, have also flown to Cleveland ;)  ) Thank you all!  Love, Lady Eli



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boy, it sure would be nice if i was able to nail down faith in God, but i havent been able to so far. it is pretty weird how when things are gon my way, my faith is strong as a rock, but when things dont go my way, i can get a wee bit selfish and self centered and think that MY way would be so much better than Gods. i know he laughs at me and i swear i can sometimes feel Him sayin,' hows that working for ya? not good? of course not, because it youre tryin to make it all your will and not Mine."
so, what happens then? welp, i can have all the faith in the world(faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen), but TRUST in Hos will is more important.
its like watchin a high wire act at the circus. i can go to the circus and watch a man pushin a wheelbarrow across a high wire. i can watch it a thousands times and have faith he can do it. HOWEVER... if i trust him, i'll get in the wheelbarrow. so, in them times i gotta do some trudgin the road to hapy destiny, i gotta get in the wheelbarrow and do my best not to rock it.



-- Edited by tomsteve on Monday 25th of February 2013 09:31:21 PM

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Ugh! Sounds stressful!
I can tell you I've been through it and through it and through it during my time in the program. Lost jobs, lost loved ones, lost apartments, etc... and this is when I was SOBER.

What really worked for me is keeping in mind this thought: Things turned around to be crappy, so it stands to reason that they will turn around to be great & wonderful & serene once again. And they do. And when they do, it's up to us to put the tools in place so that when life hands us a big fat vat of rotten lemons again, we don't have to drink sour lemonade but can hold on with our faith in tact.

I have a tremendous faith in my HP. I truly don't think I am ever given anything that I can't handle. Yeah, I get plenty of things that I don't necessarily WANT, but that's life on life's terms.
Just hold on.

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My dearest Lady Eli ... ... ...

I find a few minutes to relax and view these short little clips, with 'sound' turned up, work wonders for putting things in perspective ... try it and let me know how it works for you !!! ... :

 

 

Love ya,

Pappy



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I can see the vision of 'FOOTSTEPS" when there was only one set of footprints in the sand,the God of my understanding didn't leave,he was carrying me through the pain and anguish. When my wife and I (we share the same faith beliefs and always involve the God of our understanding in all situations first,to the best of our ability)had prayed as we were about to put our  20 year old son on the street, struggling with hard core heroin addiction after setting final boundaries and doing what we thought was a last option for him and us. He had literally died from bad cut in his dope,incurred thousands of dollars in ICU units(of which they said we were responsible)had robbed us of charge cards,wedding bands,jewelery his sisters valuables and anyone in his path to get his next one causing severe financial strain thousands of more dollars.etc,but that part was the least of our heartache..He..Was 90lbs and killing himself and we were going under with him.My then decades of recovery was shaken to the core and it was truly our Faith in God that held us together.As we cried and prayed to just sleep so we could physically,mentally and spiritually recover each day the miracle of God's grace overwhelmed us.With the separation from our son who was on the streets,,we were able to rely even more on our God being in care of the situation.Through God's grace  I was personally able to make that decision to truly surrender my will  to the care of God ,not just in a rote saying or prayer but from within.My wife also ,was able to resume some form of a life going forward ,her faith always strong,probably not as erractic as mine..The road was long, we were daily finding recovery from our grief and in turn the true blessing was my son being arrested and taken to jail where he cold turkeyed for like the 3rd time.He took more time to finally surrender to his sickness and I was an active member of Nar-Anon wearing a few hats as one from his own addiction and the parent of..I personally founs that is seemed easy to be cool in the good times but I would go off the wall in times of stress.We know that worrying is a lack of faith,easy to say harder, but not impossible to do.It was a period where our Higher Power imprinted on us that there were always be trials,thats called life on lifes terms but it is how we let the trials affect us is the discerning point. We try and not waste the trials of our lives but seek thru prayer and communication what God may be trying to show us.Do I still stumble and fall? absolutely,I am human and still resort back to learned behaviors in a stressful situation,but based on the evidence,feeling the prescense of my Higher Power and haven been receprient of that grace I stay there only briefly and seek that Power immediately....A favorite spiritual writing of mine(ours actually) says  to" not be anxious in anything but in all things with prayer and supplication,bring our petitions before God and a peace that surpasses all understanding will come over us through God"......Its not just a cool saying or words of wisdom,it is real for us ,for me and I can continually find peace as I allow my spirit to remain in contact..My son is in a stable recovery,we are in each others lives,always having unconditional love for each other though the wounds take time to heal as WE are forgiven so we also forgive..I will lift you in support and prayer and truly believe With God ,all things are possible.This is not about any religious format this is a spirituality of a loving and caring relationship with the God of my understanding.What doesn't kill us ,makes us stronger??possibly but allowing That Power to lead by light is our road to peace even when its falling apart around us...Have a blessed and productive day ,more will always be revealed.......:)



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I'm going to throw one more at you that you absolutely must watch each and every time you get to feeling sorry for yourself OR anyone else ...

I DARE you to sit through this and not feel touched by a power greater than yourself ... if you do(sit through it), and you don't(feel anything) ... then all I can say is you have the emotions of an earthworm ... :




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Great, Great testimony Mike f ... I always love to hear of you and your wife's faith in God ... in fact I enjoy everyone that shares this common belief ... I know for a fact that it was the 'fellowship' of AA that SHOWED ME WHAT FAITH COULD ACCOMPLISH ... and you know what ??? it was a lot more than just the miracles of a bunch of men and women getting and staying sober ... we prayer for each other in time of grave illness too ... and have seen other forms of miracles come of it ... if you don't believe??? ... just stick around a while and keep your eyes open ... the miracles are all around us ...



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Oh sigh...the sweetness....Thanks so much guys! I love you ALL! My answer today? You ALL give me my faith....you are all the voices of God! Better now! Love, Lady Eli

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See ? This whole thread is proof of why I can't say enough good things about this MIP message board!

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Hmmm... I do not consider myself very qualified to offer much on this with only 9 months of sobriety. I'm pretty green to having faith. Ive always believed that my HP was there, I just thought He was punishing me or something. My relationship with that HP was based on a deep simmering anger and hatred. I actually would curse God often for the misery my life had become, and all of the suffering I thought He had brought to me. I mentioned in another post that I had an experience that changed that. My last night of drinking was full of the usual chaos in my head- often my mind would take the dark turn towards wondering why I even bothered to go on. I knew my end would be at my own hands- it was a matter of when. That 'when' was coming soon. I prayed without anger asking to be shown the way...to be given the strength to be shown the way and see it. I haven't drank in 9 months, and thoughts of suicide left me that night when my HP answered my prayers. That's all I need to know to believe. At 7 months sober, I got fired from my full time job. I couldn't believe it! Here I was doing the right thing, sober for the first time in my life! To say I was vulnerable is an understatement. I was devastated! I was finally putting money in the bank, paying old debts, most of my friends worked with me... I was blindsided. I thought my life was over! I came on here and had a bit of a meltdown. 2 months later, still sober, I see that I needed that experience. It wasn't pleasant, and my finances are a mess. I believe that this happened for a few reasons, not the least of which was that my HP saw me through and gave me the strength to remain sober because I asked Him to on a daily basis. If you had asked me 9 months ago if I'd ever be saying anything even remotely like this I honestly would've told you to go F yourself. That's my limited experience:)

-- Edited by Col on Tuesday 26th of February 2013 10:24:34 AM

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Agnostic when I came in, quite anti-God, I soon picked up that this was a spiritual program and faith/belief in some kind of higher power was an essential part of the deal. I first put my toe in the water with the most simple child like prayers and a mind open enough to follow my sponsor's suggestion of looking for the results. When I looked I began to see. Third step "theory" did nothing for me, it was beyond my intellectual capacity to grasp some of the tripe they were babbling about. Instead I kept on with my simple prayers and my attitudes were changed for me.

Ever the Skeptic, I like to see tangible "proof", and this I was presented with on more and more occasions and so my faith began to build. After the 5th step, I went away and reviewed the work so far and I remember reading the 5th step promises and realising that the book was describing exactly what happened for me. My faith grew.

As I got older, my life began to change in ways that happen to all people. Loved ones, people on whom I had placed great reliance, passed away, and others became reliant on me. As each challenge came along, prayer and action on our steps carried me through and my faith grew. In recent years I have been face to face with tragedy and death, and my faith grew. I have seen great examples of faith an selflessness from those on their deathbed, and my faith grew.

Then I read a passage in the Big Book that made sense of it all and gave the reason why my faith had become so strong. Through good times and bad I remained ever willing to help another alcoholic. And the passage told me that that is what is required to survive in this world.

P14: "My friend had emphasized the absolute necessity of demonstrating these principles in all my affairs. Particularly was it imperative to work with others as he had worked with me. Faith without works was dead, he said. And how appallingly true for the alcoholic! For if an alcoholic failed to perfect and enlarge hisspiritual life through work and self-sacrifice for others, he could not survive the certain trials and low spots ahead. If he did not work, he would surely drink again, and if he drank, he would surely die. Then faith would be dead indeed. With us it is just like that."

So 7 years ago when I received the most dreadful news that my lovely wife had a terminal illness, I reacted sanely and normally. Alcohol did not present itself as a solution, instead I behaved much as any normal person would behave. My faith, with its roots so deeply buried in the passage above, never wavered.

This is testament to the power of spritual experience, God's power. Those that take the steps honestly and thoroughly and connect with their higher power, get taken to a different place. Those that don't, or haven't yet, when the bad thing happens often turn to their old higher power.

God bless,
MikeH.



-- Edited by Fyne Spirit on Tuesday 26th of February 2013 05:05:28 PM

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Thanks Tomsteve and All! Early on in sobriety...I believed pouting till I got my way outta God meant, I wasn't gonna get the color Beemer (BMW) that was being made for me, because I was sober, and at last serving God and the world.....I could release MY will, from the pink Beemer, to Gods will, the steele-grey Beemer.....I could bend! LOL! Now I find that it may be Gods will, that I take out a protective order against my abusive mentally ill son! MY SON...the greatest gift of my sobriety...is my abuser???? WTF? WHOA! Loose my son?!?!?!? EXPELL my precious child?!?!?!?! This is a looonnnng frickin way from the Beemer color issue! And these are the times, ( though I never stopped working the steps EVER!) that I cannot FEEL God! I FEEL like I have been inside of that wheelbarrel for 28 years, cause I HAVE.....and I have experienced many heart-wrenching outcomes! The tangible evidence of Gods Pressence, is my drug-free sobriety...there is NO WAY I am staying sober myself!!! But....how come I seem to FEEL God when things are easy....and NOT feel God, when things are so difficult? Do you guys FEEL God, when things are awful????? If "Yes", then pls. your ESH on HOW the "Consciousness of you Belief" comes to you"? Thanks with Love, Lady Eli

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You deserve a lot more credit for sticking with God through this period of time Colleen ... ... ... you were on shaky ground and Alex did what you were thinking of doing ... WOW ... you had to pull some kind of 'faith' out of your ass to get through all that ... I know this for a fact, I walked in those shoes too ... I planned it all out, had everything ready ... pulled the hammer back on the gun and stuck it in my mouth ...

Like you Col, somewhere in my head, a voice told me that I was being a coward and going to leave a mess, no pun intended, for everyone else to clean up ... and then the thought of what would be put on my 'gravestone' bothered the shit out of me ... 'Here lies Roger, who cared more for a drink, than he did for any one other thing or person in his life, such a sad existence' ... and the voice told me, it doesn't have to be this way ...

Thanks Colleen ... ... ... for the trip back in time ... I really needed that ... it's a very sobering thought ... Oh man, to think it took every one of those drinks to get me to where I am today ... I really do thank God for His/Her patience with me ... and I pray I might be useful in helping some other person who is still suffering ...



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Great share Mike ... I find that my faith grows too, each and every day I practice the AA principles ... My whole family had wagers on me last year when my Dad passed away ... only my wife felt I had enough faith in God to get me by, but even she told me she had her doubts  ... and I never did find it necessary to pick up a drink ... Ha! ... my family got to see a miracle walk among them ... LOL



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