2 in 1 Riddle

jj · MIP Old Timer

2 in 1 Riddle

Ruhig · Senior Member

This riddle has two puzzles. Unscramble the words below, then take the letters from each word as instructed to form another word that is the answer to this teaser: DOD Take letter 1 ONRUM Take letters 1,2 & 5 CROSITH Take letters 1,2 & 3 ERVNE Take letters 1,2 Unscramble the letters you collected... what do you get? May the force be with you.

jj · MIP Old Timer

i have an answer but won't spoil it for the rest

Ruhig · Senior Member

Yes, one word. And each word is independent. I originally thought it would form a sentence, it doesn't lol

Pythonpappy · MIP Old Timer

Got one word ... ... sent it in PM ...

Mike B. · MIP Old Timer

what do you get? Confused! confuse biggrin biggrin biggrin

Ruhig · Senior Member

Words unscrambled 1-4 in order: odd, mourn, ostrich, nerve (or never).
Letters extracted: O M O N O S T N E the final word : moonstone

Pythonpappy · MIP Old Timer

Hey, Hey, Hey, ... ... ... How many PM'd you with the right answer???

Ruhig · Senior Member

2 out of 2... Hence no new riddle today. Lol

Pythonpappy · MIP Old Timer

Okay, See how you are ??? ... ... ... Nothing but a big 'TEASE' ... ... ... LOL

Pappy

Ruhig · Senior Member

Tease? Oh, I'll give your brain quite the tease. Ready, here we go:

This has an answer, but it makes a nice puzzle for the mathematically inclined so I'm presenting it as a riddle.

You have a hypersphere of n dimension and you want a function which describes a non-geodesic line which never crosses itself in the space of the sphere. Questions:

What is the smallest number of dimensions such a sphere can have?

How do you construct the function that describes such a line?

Oh, and I'll send you the answer in pm, NO PEEKING!!!

Ruhig · Senior Member

Uhm, I just also wanted to add a side note related to recovery.

My ego has a super thin skin, more like a membrane. And I indulge in such superfluous riddles as this one to feed my ego into thinking that the ability to solve this riddle somehow means I'm smarter than the general public. In reality, having the ability to understand this question, or any of the previous riddles has never served a purpose in my life and doesn't actually mean anything significant.

So, since if I was not me and read this thread and knew I couldn't solve it, I would feel less than. I know this because I've spent many a night crying because I still don't understand algebra, you know, that pesky class you take in the 8th grade. So I just wanted to say that I spent 6 months trying to solve this riddle alone with a white board and a dry erase marker, and still had help from google. And that I don't actually think this riddle is worth even looking at unless your like me and delude yourself into thinking that finding the answer actually means anything. Cause in reality, unless your already mathematically inclined and plan on using this stuff for a living, this has never gotten me anywhere.

Ruhig · Senior Member

But here is a riddle I think is fun.

What word can be written right side up, up side down, backwards or forwards, read backwards and forwards and still remains the same.

Ps, there can be several correct answers to this.

Pythonpappy · MIP Old Timer

Okay, Okay ... ... ... I'm trying to get the taste of 'foot' out of my mouth ... ... LOL

What is the smallest number of dimensions such a sphere can have? ... ... ... One?

How do you construct the function that describes such a line? ... ... ... Start with 'infinity?

Damn girl, where did you come up with this ... uh ... uh ...uh ...stuff???

Pythonpappy · MIP Old Timer

Ooootah, ...

Will you slow down a bit for the old guys ??? ... ... ...

What word can be written right side up, up side down, backwards or forwards, read backwards and forwards and still remains the same. ... ... ... RACECAR ?

Ruhig · Senior Member

Yes, that's one answer. Can you think of more? Also, I also answer "palIndrome" not because it fits the requirements, but because the question is almost the definition. If you cut out the upside down part, I have discovered this palindrome sentence. The longest one I've found to date.

Are we not pure? No sir! Panamas moody Noriega brags. It is garbage! Irony dooms a man; a prisoner up to new era.

And a funnier one: A Toyota! Race fast, safe car! A Toyota!

But one that fits the entire riddle could also be "NOON"

also, a nut for a jar of tuna

Here is list of palindromes (some of them are rather entertaining)

http://www.palindromelist.net

Ruhig · Senior Member

And just to illustrate how ridiculous the answer to the math question was:

answer:

We only need a hypersphere of three dimensions S(3). Such a hypersphere can be represendted as the "surface" unit distance from a point in a 4-space.

Let a^2 + b^2 + c^2 + d^2 =1

All the points of that function will fill the hyperspere.

Now let

u*e^irx = a + ib

and

v*e^isx = c + id

where e + 2.71828 and i is the square root of minus one

and u^2 + v^2 =1.

As we vary x a nongeodesic line will be described in the fourspace and in the volume of the hypersphere. Now set r = 1. If s is a rational number the line will eventually return to it's point of origin and for some choices of s it may recross it's path. However if we choose s to be an irrational the curve will never recross or return because the same values of a & b, and c & d will never be coincident.

This curve has some interesting properties. Any part of it of the same length is indentical except for point of origin and orientation. And although it will never recross itself it will come arbitrarily closs to any given point.

Pythonpappy · MIP Old Timer

UNCLE

Ruhig · Senior Member

Gotta hand it to you python. You held on real tight.

Ruhig · Senior Member

Palindrome squares, not to be read diagonally:

http://www.fun-with-words.com/images/palsq4x4_2.gif

Mr_David · MIP Old Timer

I like your riddles Ruhig, so keep them coming.

StPeteDean · MIP Old Timer

Ruhig, maybe you should take one of these http://www.us.mensa.org/join/testing/

-- Edited by StPeteDean on Tuesday 3rd of July 2012 11:49:48 AM

StPeteDean · MIP Old Timer

Nah, I expected it Pappy, and not a exactly a great display of humility, which I'm afraid I don't have a lot of. Surprising that I stayed sober with such a small amount :P. I really think that Ruhig could pass their test. What I liked about it was their questions were interesting instead of trivial. Logic and problem solving, and pattern recognition. One thing that did help me greatly was taking a class to study for my FL state general contractors exam (16 hours long). The test is designed with one thing in mind, to make 96% of the people fail the first time they take it. The class that I took taught me how to take tests, and in particular the State's GC test. It was fascinating to understand the psychology of the test designers and the formulations of their trick questions. All multiple choice and front end loaded with the hardest calculation problems first to try and suck up all of your time and frustrate you. lol. I also passed the FL Real Estate exam, which was boring as hell.

-- Edited by StPeteDean on Tuesday 3rd of July 2012 11:01:17 AM

Ruhig · Senior Member

David, what's your answer??

Pythonpappy · MIP Old Timer

Available at your local print shop for a dollar ... LOL

Sorry Dean, but you set me up for that one ... ... ... HeeHee

Pythonpappy · MIP Old Timer

Too bad having one of these cards doesn't keep us from having more than one drink at the 'Bar' ... ... ... huh???

StPeteDean · MIP Old Timer

What's particularly impressive, Pappy, is that I passed the test After burning up a large percentage of my brain cells.

Pythonpappy · MIP Old Timer

Okay, ... ... ... touche .... ... ... Think I taste 'foot' in my mouth again ... Damn!

Ruhig · Senior Member

I would take that test, but I already know that the more you have to prove your intelligence (me) the less intelligent said person is. Much like Tasha stated that the more she knew, the more she realized she didn't know, and so felt less of an urge to speak up. A concept I obviously don't have lol.

I'd fail anyways.

Ruhig · Senior Member

" What I liked about it was their questions were interesting instead trivial"

as you probably already know, but what has tripped me up alot, is that the reason they are pattern, not trivia based it because iq isn't how much you know, it's how fast you can accept and comprehend a concept.

Thanks for thinking I'd pass. And no... My previous comment wasn't implying anything other than my ego is getting in my way.

StPeteDean · MIP Old Timer

Ruhig wrote:
I would take that test, but I already know that the more you have to prove your intelligence (me) the less intelligent said person is. Much like Tasha stated that the more she knew, the more she realized she didn't know, and so felt less of an urge to speak up. A concept I obviously don't have lol.

I'd fail anyways.

Maybe it would be better said that the more intelligent that people think that they are, the less likely that they're able to learn. There are lots of smart people out there, with low self esteem, that seek approval (me). Doesn't mean that they are not intelligent. I got a close friend in in the program who's a Dentist and a darn good one, he graduated from Georgetown U dental school. I'm a high school drop out (12th grade bored), that attended Catholic school through the 9th grade. My Dentist friend likes to tell me that I'm smarter than he is. I don't know if I could pass organic chemistry or physics with calculus. And the sad thing is that I don't want to try. smile What does mater is that when I do identify a goal, I go after it hard and study like a fiend to make sure that I won't fail, in a classic "all or nothing" fashion.

Ruhig · Senior Member

Yet again, well said dean. Teachability seems to be the key.

Ruhig · Senior Member

I never was, am always to be. No one ever saw me, nor ever will. And yet I am the confidence of all, To live and breath on this terrestrial ball. What am I?

StPeteDean · MIP Old Timer

The future?

Ruhig · Senior Member

:) we have a winner