"Discipline of yourself is absolutely necessary before the power of God is given to you. When you see others manifesting the power of God, you probably have not seen the discipline that went before. They made themselves ready. All your life is a preparation for more good to be accomplished when God knows that you are ready for it. So keep disciplining your self in the spiritual life every day. Learn so much of the spiritual laws that your life cannot again be a failure. Others will see the outward manifestation of the inward discipline in your daily living."
"...I pray that I may discipline myself so as to be ready to meet every opportunity"
"But you have not seen the discipline that went before. Discipline is absolutely necessary before this power is given. It is a further initiation"
these are things I've read today. How does discipline pertain to recovery [something other than not drinking] is this like, practical application on a 24h basis? Is this pulling a 10th & 11th step everyday?a 12th & 9th step on every appropriate opportunity? Living by the serenity prayer?
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Well, someone said they watch the crazy thoughts go by like the stock exchange and to me, not acting on them is demonstrating discipline. How many I get let roll by tells me where I'm at. As a woman, I feel it when I'm doing wrong, now that I'm sober, I can also clearly THINK about it. Taking some time to think before reacting on a feeling is my take on it. Some days I can let all the crazy just stay in my head. Other days, I am not ready. God has not given me more than I can handle, and I look forward to what will be revealed. When I'm scared of what he may reveal, I know I'm not spiritually where I need to be.
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Thanks for everything. Peace and Love on your journey.
In the book it talks about God doing for us what we could not do for ourselves. It also says:
We alcoholics are undisciplined. So we let God discipline us in the simple way we have just outlined
We learn how to align our will with "God's will", and the funny thing is it seems counter-intuitive, sweep this over here and your house ends up a different color, but that's what happens. The discipline and clarity comes from working the steps, we learned that bombarding our problems with will power doesn't work, but taking our will power to do a few tasks, follow a few instructions, and follow a few rules and the discipline comes -as the result- of working the steps, the entire book explains this again and again.
if you read steps 10 and 11 carefully they answer this question directly:
This thought brings us to Step Ten, which suggests we continue to take personal inventory and continue to set right any new mistakes as we go along. We vigorously commenced this way of living as we cleaned up the past. We have entered the world of the Spirit. Our next function is to grow in understanding and effectiveness. This is not an overnight matter. It should continue for our lifetime. Continue to watch for selfishness, dishonesty, resentment, and fear. When these crop up, we ask God at once to remove them. We discuss them with someone immediately and make amends quickly if we have harmed anyone. Then we resolutely turn our thoughts to someone we can help. Love and tolerance of others is our code.
And we have ceased fighting anything or anyone, even alcohol. For by this time sanity will have returned. We will seldom be interested in liquor. If tempted, we recoil from it as from a hot flame. We react sanely and normally, and we will find that this has happened automatically. We will see that our new attitude toward liquor has been given us without any thought or effort on our part. It just comes! That is the miracle of it. We are not fighting it, neither are we avoiding temptation. We feel as though we had been placed in a position of neutrality safe and protected. We have not even sworn off. Instead, the problem has been removed. It does not exist for us. We are neither cocky nor are we afraid. That is how we react so long as we keep in fit spiritual condition.
It is easy to let up on the spiritual program of action and rest on our laurels. We are headed for trouble if we do, for alcohol is a subtle foe. We are not cured of alcoholism. What we really have is a daily reprieve contingent on the maintenance of our spiritual condition. Every day is a day when we must carry the vision of God's will into all of our activities. "How can I best serve Thee, Thy will (not mine) be done." These are thoughts which must go with us constantly. We can exercise our will power along this line all we wish. It is the proper use of the will.
Much has already been said about receiving strength, inspiration, and direction from Him who has all knowledge and power. If we have carefully followed directions, we have begun to sense the flow of His Spirit into us. To some extent we have become God-conscious. We have begun to develop this vital sixth sense. But we must go further and that means more action.
Step Eleven suggests prayer and meditation. We shouldn't be shy on this matter of prayer. Better men than we are using it constantly. It works, if we have the proper attitude and work at it. It would be easy to be vague about this matter. Yet, we believe we can make some definite and valuable suggestions.
When we retire at night, we constructively review our day. Were we resentful, selfish, dishonest or afraid? Do we owe an apology? Have we kept something to ourselves which should be discussed with another person at once? Were we kind and loving toward all? What could we have done better? Were we thinking of ourselves most of the time? Or were we thinking of what we could do for others, of what we could pack into the stream of life? But we must be careful not to drift into worry, remorse or morbid reflection, for that would diminish our usefulness to others. After making our review we ask God's forgiveness and inquire what corrective measures should be taken.
On awakening let us think about the twenty-four hours ahead. We consider our plans for the day. Before we begin, we ask God to direct our thinking, especially asking that it be divorced from self-pity, dishonest or self-seeking motives. Under these conditions we can employ our mental faculties with assurance, for after all God gave us brains to use. Our thought- life will be placed on a much higher plane when our thinking is cleared of wrong motives.
In thinking about our day we may face indecision. We may not be able to determine which course to take. Here we ask God for inspiration, an intuitive thought or a decision. We relax and take it easy. We don't struggle. We are often surprised how the right answers come after we have tried this for a while. What used to be the hunch or the occasional inspiration gradually becomes a working part of the mind. Being still inexperienced and having just made conscious contact with God, it is not probable that we are going to be inspired at all times. We might pay for this presumption in all sorts of absurd actions and ideas. Nevertheless, we find that our thinking will, as time passes, be more and more on the plane of inspiration. We come to rely upon it.
We usually conclude the period of meditation with a prayer that we be shown all through the day what our next step is to be, that we be given whatever we need to take care of such problems. We ask especially for freedom from self-will, and are careful to make no request for ourselves only. We may ask for ourselves, however, if others will be helped. We are careful never to pray for our own selfish ends. Many of us have wasted a lot of time doing that and it doesn't work. You can easily see why.
If circumstances warrant, we ask our wives or friends to join us in morning meditation. If we belong to a religious denomination which requires a definite morning devotion, we attend to that also. If not members of religious bodies, we sometimes select and memorize a few set prayers which emphasize the principles we have been discussing. There are many helpful books also. Suggestions about these may be obtained from one's priest, minister, or rabbi. Be quick to see where religious people are right. Make use of what they offer.
As we go through the day we pause, when agitated or doubtful, and ask for the right thought or action. We constantly remind ourselves we are no longer running the show, humbly saying to ourselves many times each day "Thy will be done." We are then in much less danger of excitement, fear, anger, worry, self-pity, or foolish decisions. We become much more efficient. We do not tire so easily, for we are not burning up energy foolishly as we did when we were trying to arrange life to suit ourselves.
It works it really does.
We alcoholics are undisciplined. So we let God discipline us in the simple way we have just outlined. But this is not all. There is action and more action. "Faith without works is dead." The next chapter is entirely devoted to Step Twelve
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Ruhig, ... I just sent this an hour or so ago to you in the other thread ... LOL!!!
Pythonpappy wrote: Okay Ruhig, ... I'll attempt to simplify ... deb365 wrote: "You are doing your claiming as I have said, and soon you will see the result. You cannot do this long without it being seen in the material.
You see others manifesting so easily, so readily demonstrating My power. But you have not seen the discipline that went before. Discipline is absolutely necessary before this power is given. It is a further initiation."
365 One-Minute Meditations from God Calling
This may mean something different to different people but here's what I got out of it:
It is stated as IF our Higher Power is talking to us directly ... saying that we are following His directions ... AND that we will soon 'realize' that by our actions, we WILL SEE evidence in plain sight of what we were seeking in the spiritual ...
That those with whom we are associating with, are, in fact showing us proof of His miracles happening right before our eyes ... But that we shouldn't be too awed by this because we have yet to see or understand just what kind of faith it took them to achieve this state ...
AND that what you see in your new friends is available to you by using the same disipline they used ... this is your initiation to recieve what they have ...
What do you think now, ???
God Bless, Pappy
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'Those who leave everything in God's hand will eventually see God's hand in everything.'
Ditto. I hadn't seen that before. There is a lot of that stuff going on in my life today. I'm not quite there yet but I'm a damn sight closer to that than to the person I was.
Thanks for the multitude of perspectives, and to python for posting twice, haha.I saw that pic last night while reading thru the 2005 posts. I hope to get there, and I guess this also clarfies the true meaning of my head stuck in the sand (life before spiritual awakening). I also appreciate the patience you have shown, as they say... 5 years to pull head out of butt and another 5 to figure out how to use it. :)
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By the end of my life, I might manage all 12 symptoms:) That'll be the day that I go through the 11th step checklist without finding any transgressions. I haven't managed it yet!