Amy Winehouse.

mikef · MIP Old Timer

Amy Winehouse. Merged with Another one gone.

Sobrietyspell · MIP Old Timer

RE: Another one gone!

Midge · Member

Alot may have been said and written about her during her short life and there will undoubtably be more to come, but the undoubtable truth is that a young and talented woman has died today.
I have always hoped that she would one day overcome her troubles, bounce back and find happiness and fulfillment with her life and it's a tragedy that she never made it.
God bless you Amy, may you be at peace.

bikerbill · MIP Old Timer

it's a shame but not a surprise. I'll miss her music. From the firstlineof her breakthrough singleI clicked with her. I KNEW WHERE SHE WAS COMING FROM. I feared where she would go and thrre she went.Some of us have to die toteach the rest of us. God Bless you Amy, you're feeling no pain now. And God Bless her parents and all who loved her and were powerless.

I dunno, I'm at a convention and this has got tears in my eyes. She was one of us I'm sure but she never stuck around long enough for the miracle. Poor lass.

Mr_David · MIP Old Timer

mikef wrote:
AMY WINEHOUSE ,R.I.P. you just didn't make it in from the storm....For there goes I ,but by the grace of God.......................

R.I.P. Amy. I hope you find peace, now that you moved on. God bless...

-- Edited by Mr_David on Saturday 23rd of July 2011 09:16:35 PM

johnwallis · Member

You will be missed- RIP

StPeteDean · MIP Old Timer

I'm of course distressed that this disease has taken another person. But I am not at all pleased with her for recording a song mocking the recovery process (and everyone working in recovery)

"They tried to make me go to rehab, I said, "No, no, no" Yes, I've been black but when I come back you'll know, know, knowI ain't got the time and if my daddy thinks I'm fine He's tried to make me go to rehab, I won't go, go, go..."

That will have the affect of discouraging others from seeking recovery. If you want to kill yourself fine, but don't take countless others with you to make a quick buck. Same goes for the record company for producing that piece of work, and the recording industry for giving her 2 grammys, one for the song titled "Rehab" and another for the album titled "Rehab". Ridiculous. I hope they are happy with the result. Ms. Winehouse has set the ultimate example, and I guess that I should consider that she has made her final amends. Rip

cooncatbob · Senior Member

StPeteDean wrote:
I'm of course distressed that this disease has taken another person. But I am not at all pleased with her for recording a song mocking the recovery process (and everyone working in recovery)

"They tried to make me go to rehab, I said, "No, no, no" Yes, I've been black but when I come back you'll know, know, knowI ain't got the time and if my daddy thinks I'm fine He's tried to make me go to rehab, I won't go, go, go..."

That will have the affect of discouraging others from seeking recovery. If you want to kill yourself fine, but don't take countless others with you to make a quick buck. Same goes for the record company for producing that piece of work, and the recording industry for giving her 2 grammys, one for the song titled "Rehab" and another for the album titled "Rehab". Ridiculous. I hope they are happy with the result. Ms. Winehouse has set the ultimate example, and I guess that I should consider that she has made her final amends. Rip

I couldn't agree more, that song was an insult to the thousands of people who help alcoholics and addicts find recovery, many of these selfless people are members of the recovery community too.

I would have never got it if it wasn't for my counselor Jack who I believe celebrated either 30 or 31 years this January.

This program is for those who want it not those that need it.

She didn't want it and that's fine, sad but her choice, but dissing recovery and making a profit doing so isn't right.

People like her and Charlie Sheen claim AA and NA are cults, I just shake my head.

We all know what happens to people who can't stop drinking and using, Jail, Insistuations and Death and we all know people in recovery who have turned their lifes around and done amazing things.

Like go back to school, get their degrees, restore relationships with their families that they've hurt.

You can't do any of that from the grave

cooncatbob · Senior Member

This message board isn't AA and doesn't represents AA's position.
This board gives people a place to express there opinions.
You've expressed your and I've expressed mine.
What I find offensive has nothing to do with AA.
I've been sober for a few 24 hours.

mikef · MIP Old Timer

Good thing were not talkin about Betty Ford..:) smile

bikerbill · MIP Old Timer

Yep, she made big bucks out of her song of denial. maybe if she kept coming back she'd have stuck around long enough to get teh miracle. I read in classic rock magazine some months back about milestones in Rock, one of which highlighteda famous detox / rehab centre. the following month there was a blistering peice from an anonymous rocker, ripping the rehad / detox industry in general (in teh UK) to bits. Pointing out that you come out of detox / rehab with no readily available support and you go drink until, as he puts it, someone from a certain fellowship makes an impression, goes out of their way, gets you to a meeting and shows you how it can be done.

well it's allus a shame when one of us in the grip of the illness and deep in denial teaches us the final lesson - but I have been sickened by the media coverage. Christ, in some papers it pushed the Norway atrocity off the front page!

'scuse the spelling.

StPeteDean · MIP Old Timer

mikef wrote:
Good thing were not talkin about Betty Ford..:)

That's who we should be talking about. She's the main reason we don't have to be as annonymous as our predesessors where.

barisax · Senior Member

StPeteDean wrote:
That's who we should be talking about. She's the main reason we don't have to be as annonymous as our predesessors where.

I see anonymity as being two sided. It protects the individual members from being disclosed as alcoholics, and as you say that is less of a stigma than it once was. But anonymity also protects the fellowship from the actions of individuals. It's very easy for someone on the outside looking in to conclude that AA doesn't work. We who want it know it does. But if I go public as a member of AA, and a month later I'm in the news with a DUI or worse, it just adds to the fodder. I'm ok with representing AA at a meeting. But out in the world, I'd prefer to not be identified with the program especially when I'm being an ass - on purpose or otherwise.

Anonymity is a rare topic at discussion meetings around here, other than traditions meetings when it comes around on a regular basis. Anonymity is relative, and has different ramifications with today's media and "social networking". I'm "out" to my family, friends, and many of my co-workers, but not to the internet. I'd like to keep it that way. Maybe time to bring it up as a topic again, just to hear how people are interpreting it for themselves today.

Barisax

mikef · MIP Old Timer

True Dat!!! smile smile oh Amy OH betty..... Awareness from different ends with an identifiable illness.....

The Addiction Club · Senior Member

Amy Winehouse.

Closer · Senior Member

Was anyone else really saddened by her death? I didnt know squat about her or listen to her music but I remember hearing what happened 6 months ago. I just read the google page now and it was in fact alcohol that she lost her life to. I Remember feeling affected by her death when I first heard it on the televison but I didnt know why. I read a bit of the stuff on google and she was apparently in a lot of trouble, and it wasnt drugs, it was drinking. Not to bring a bummer to MIP but Im sure some people could understand her kind of problem, but hopefully noone understands it the way she did. disbelief

happycamper · MIP Old Timer

The 'News' has to put something out there for ppl to watch , and sometimes when they share celebs and 'stars' lives , or deaths, I just sit back and say "yep, I get it".

I did not know her .. Amy, nor her music. May she rest in peace.

Closer · Senior Member

Her Webpage focuses on a song she wrote in 2006 she never released, its called "Tears dry on theyre own" which made me the saddest.

Fyne Spirit · MIP Old Timer

I am sure we were all saddened by the untimely death of Amy but there is not much point in speculating about the details. The fact is that alcoholism takes beautiful and talented people everyday and it always seems such a tragic waste. But there is hope for others. God seems to have granted us a window of opportunity and willingness (WOW) where we are able to stop drinking and get started on our spiritual path to recovery. Its a funny thing this window because no one knows how long it will be open for and quite often it seems, it closes unexpectedly on those who seem to be wasting the chance - they drink again. The window seems to stay open for those that really try and the success rate in AA is very high for those that honestly do their best with the steps. The problem for alcoholics of my type is that we are beyond human aid and we have no effective mental defense against the first drink. This is the insanity of the disease, we cannot bring into our minds with sufficient force the memory of the humiliation of even a day ago in my case. We just drink, even against our will, we don't need excuses, no external force makes us drink, we just do because we are alcoholics. We need a change of personality which it seems can only be brought about by a spiritual awakening, and when this is accomplished, and only then, sanity will be restored, and we will react sanely and normally if ever tempted. The only way I know to get this spiritutal awakening is through the 12 steps, and the only way to approach this is with urgency - jump through that window with both feet before it closes and we lose another Amy.

God bless,
Mike H.

Closer · Senior Member

Yup, her death makes me wanna stay sober even more now, Ive got that "window" open as you call it and I wanna keep it open. I know what you guys are saying too, you cant tell what really happened, especially in that world.

StPeteDean · MIP Old Timer

There is a thread on this, to which this one will be merged. Try using the search function

http://aa.activeboard.com/t44059949/another-one-gone/

bikerbill · MIP Old Timer

tears dry on their own was released and a more self pitying, self centred little ballad I haven't heard in a long while. Her music was suffused with suffering and pain and full of self pity. No change there then, self pity, pain, suffering and co-dependence seems to be at root of most of modern songwriting (from around 1920s that it).

Just watched God Bless Ozzy Osbourne on the TV. I remember the reality programme the Osbournes - back in Ozzy's drinking days. the difference between then and now is startling. I remember the newspaper peices saying Ozzy was suffering from neurological disorder, when in fact he was going down with active alcoholism and tending towards sarkosy's. (alcohol induced demetia).

See him now, I'd live next door to him. He's around 5 years clean and sober. Like me.