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Did NOT get through tropical vacation without picking up.

Feeling terrible about myself but not beating up on myself... Got straight to a meeting this morning and am back on board.   My friends/family think I'm 'fine' because I can control my consumption and my personality and actions (in front of them).  They don't know what I know...  and of course that tells my alcoholic mind exactly what it wants to hear:  It's ok just this once.

So now I start again. 
Again.

My 43rd birthday is tomorrow... A new year is around the corner.  I have so much I want to do, to achieve... and to do any of it, I MUST remain sober and be the ME my higher power keeps showing me by little 'coincidences' that he wants me to be...  

My husband thinks it's perfectly fine for me to drink within reason on vacation like I just did (we have another vacation in Feb and then nothing til next winter).  I feel that I  should cancel the Feb. vacation as it's just me with my kids and my inlaws - he's not there to 'babysit' me... i'm with my drinking mother in law and non-drinking Father in law.  He thinks that because I kept myself perfectly 'sane' this one week with him, I'm ok... But I know better.  For, I am without a doubt an alcoholic.  

I keep praying for God to take this obsession away so that I CAN do things like meet my friends that I miss for a reunion, or go on a vacation without the thought of alcohol determining whether or not I go.

I know that I don't WANT to drink; I know that I am an alcoholic and that my body CAN'T handle alcohol and I can't just drink like other people.  Just because I 'get away with it' for a couple of days, means nothing; believe me, the more I drank, the more I craved, but I did consciously struggle not to lose control because I guess I WANT my enablers to think I have it all under control (there, I said it...)  

Next time I might not make it back to AA.  I get that.  I had the list of meetings in Aruba.  Did not go.  I had the big book.  Did not read it.  I had the phone numbers; I called a couple; still drank.  It's not because I WANT to drink.  I don't.  So why do I do these things?



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Hmmm... The lazy answer is you did them because you're an alcoholic. Duh, real helpful, right? Sorry.

Your attitude sounds spot on. You realize you can't drink, you're not giving in to the idea that you can drink in moderation, you're praying about it, you went right back to a meeting. It may be an uphill battle if your husband and friends are not on the same page, but there really is no choice, you HAVE to keep trying.

Regarding the obsession, it WILL get easier the longer you keep away from drinking. It will ebb and flow but overall will diminish and get easier. At some point most people can be around alcohol in a social setting with no anxiety, just a sense of of slightly elevated caution. Like knowing there's a hot stove nearby and you just have to remember not to touch it. Not that hard.

Gotta get some sleep but GOOD LUCK!

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The alcoholic at certain times has no effective mental defense against the first drink. Except in a few cases, neither he nor any other human being can provide such a defense. His defense must come from a Higher Power.

Alcoholism is an obsession of the mind coupled with an allergy of the body, that means the main -problem- centers in the mind, what that means is, left untreated no matter how long one goes without alcohol, the day will come when the mind convinces itself taking a drink is a good idea if one is a -real alcoholic-

The most baffling characteristic of alcoholism--both to the alcoholic and to those who must deal with him--is the paradox in which the conflicts of sober reality eventually always become untenable, leading to the return to alcohol and/or drugs for relief. Then the "relief" chemical becomes the problem. The outside pressures begin to mount regarding its use, and the pain and discomfort in the patient begins to increase. Neither sobriety nor its chemical counterpoint can provide a meaningful cessation of the the conflict. This almost hopeless condition of mind and body is known as alcoholism...a truly strange disease in which withdrawal from alcohol has little if any salutary effect, and often makes the emotional agony intensify.

What sets AA head and shoulders above other attempts to reverse the disease of alcoholism is in its immensely successful efforts to literally alter the relationship of the alcoholic to his or her world--in effect, to provide a different perception of the same environment.


Dr Jung wrote Bill that the alcoholic's problem was his search for unity with the life around him. And when he found the bottle, it seemed to be the missing ingredient. It seemed to let him live a little bit more comfortably with himself and in the society around him. He had found a chemical unity, and it did a pretty good job for him until it became the problem that only a spriritual answer could solve


You may already have asked yourself why it is that all of us became so very ill from drinking. Doubtless you are curious to discover how and why, in the face of expert opinion to the contrary, we have recovered from a hopeless condition of mind and body. If you are an alcoholic who wants to get over it, you may already be asking What do I have to do?"

It is the purpose of this book to answer such questions specifically. We shall tell you what we have done. Before going into a detailed discussion, it may be well to summarize some points as we see them.

How many time people have said to us: "I can take it or leave it alone. Why can't he?" "Why don't you drink like a gentleman or quit?" "That fellow can't handle his liquor." "Why don't you try beer and wine?" "Lay off the hard stuff." "His will power must be weak." "He could stop if he wanted to." "She's such a sweet girl, I should think he'd stop for her sake." "The doctor told him that if he ever drank again it would kill him, but there he is all lit up again."

Now these are commonplace observations on drinkers which we hear all the time. Back of them is a world of ignorance and misunderstanding. We see that these expressions refer to people whose reactions are very different from ours.

Moderate drinkers have little trouble in giving up liquor entirely if they have good reason for it. They can take it or leave it alone.

Then we have a certain type of hard drinker. He may have the habit badly enough to gradually impair him physically and mentally. It may cause him to die a few years before his time. If a sufficiently strong reason ill health, falling in love, change of environment, or the warning of a doctor becomes operative, this man can also stop or moderate, although he may find it difficult and troublesome and may even need medical attention.

But what about the real alcoholic? He may start off as a moderate drinker; he may or may not become a continuous hard drinker; but at some stage of his drinking career he begins to lose all control of his liquor consumption, once he starts to drink.

Why does he behave like this? If hundreds of experiences have shown him that one drink means another debacle with all its attendant suffering and humiliation, why is it he takes that one drink? Why can't he stay on the water wagon? What has become of the common sense and will power that he still sometimes displays with respect to other matters?

Perhaps there never will be a full answer to these questions. Opinions vary considerably as to why the alcoholic reacts differently from normal people. We are not sure why, once a certain point is reached, little can be done for him. We cannot answer the riddle.

We know that while the alcoholic keeps away from drink, as he may do for months or years, he reacts much like other men. We are equally positive that once he takes any alcohol whatever into his system, something happens, both in the bodily and mental sense, which makes it virtually impossible for him to stop. The experience of any alcoholic will abundantly confirm this.

These observations would be academic and pointless if our friend never took the first drink, thereby setting the terrible cycle in motion. Therefore, the main problem of the alcoholic centers in his mind, rather than in his body. If you ask him why he started on that last bender, the chances are he will offer you any one of a hundred alibis. Sometimes these excuses have a certain plausibility, but none of them really makes sense in the light of the havoc an alcoholic's drinking bout creates. They sound like the philosophy of the man who, having a headache, beats himself on the head with a hammer so that he can't feel the ache. If you draw this fallacious reasoning to the attention of an alcoholic, he will laugh it off, or become irritated and refuse to talk.

Once in a while he may tell the truth. And the truth, strange to say, is usually that he has no more idea why he took that first drink than you have. Some drinkers have excuses with which they are satisfied part of the time. But in their hearts they really do not know why they do it. Once this malady has a real hold, they are a baffled lot. There is the obsession that somehow, someday, they will beat the game. But they often suspect they are down for the count.

How true this is, few realize. In a vague way their families and friends sense that these drinkers are abnormal, but everybody hopefully awaits the day when the sufferer will rouse himself from his lethargy and assert his power of will.

The tragic truth is that if the man be a real alcoholic, the happy day may not arrive. He has lost control. At a certain point in the drinking of every alcoholic, he passes into a state where the most powerful desire to stop drinking is of absolutely no avail. This tragic situation has already arrived in practically every case long before it is suspected.

The fact is that most alcoholics, for reasons yet obscure, have lost the power of choice in drink. Our so called will power becomes practically nonexistent. We are unable, at certain times, to bring into our consciousness with sufficient force the memory of the suffering and humiliation of even a week or a month ago. We are without defense against the first drink.

The almost certain consequences that follow taking even a glass of beer do not crowd into the mind to deter us. If these thoughts occur, they are hazy and readily supplanted with the old threadbare idea that this time we shall handle ourselves like other people. There is a complete failure of the kind of defense that keeps one from putting his hand on a hot stove.

The alcoholic may say to himself in the most casual way, "It won't burn me this time, so here's how!" Or perhaps he doesn't think at all. How often have some of us begun to drink in this nonchalant way, and after the third or fourth, pounded on the bar and said to ourselves, "For God's sake, how did I ever get started again?" Only to have that thought supplanted by "Well, I'll stop with the sixth drink." Or "What's the use anyhow?"

When this sort of thinking is fully established in an individual with alcoholic tendencies, he has probably placed himself beyond human aid, and unless locked up, may die or to permanently insane. These stark and ugly facts have been confirmed by legions of alcohoholics throughout history. But for the grace of God, there would have been thousands more convincing demonstrations. So many want to stop but cannot.

There is a solution. Almost none of us liked the self- searching, the leveling of our pride, the confession of shortcomings which the process requires for its successful consummation. But we saw that it really worked in others, and we had come to believe in the hopelessness and futility of life as we had been living it. When, therefore, we were approached by those in whom the problem had been solved, there was nothing left for us but to pick up the simple kit of spiritual tools laid at out feet. We have found much of heaven and we have been rocketed into a fourth dimension of existence of which we had not even dreamed.




LinBaba wrote:


it seems you are running out of options

The steps worked for us, they may work for you too

So if you are on step one, you are admitting you are powerless over alcohol and your life is unmanageable

That is a great start believe it or not, we all had to get to that place, next we surrendered, and asked for help

We do that literally, both at Group level and a personal level, we get numbers and we use them, and we get a sponsor that many of us call EVERY DAY in early sobriety

step 2 is coming to believe that a power greater can restore you to sanity

AA is a power greater then you and it has helped millions, do you think it might be able to help you?

It will give you back precisely what you give it, for those of us that surrendered everything, it gave us everything back

Step 3 is we make a decision to turn our will and our life over to the care of God as we understand God

How do we do that?

We let a sponsor take us through steps 4-9, upon ariving at 10 we have been restored to sanity, by 12 we have HAD a spiritual awakening as THE result of the steps

In the beginning of every meeting you hear "How it works" being read, have you ever paid close attention to it is telling you and what it is asking of you?

Rarely have we seen a person fail who has thoroughly followed our path.

Our stories disclose in a general way what we used to be like, what happened, and what we are like now. If you have decided you want what we have and are willing to go to any length to get it then you are ready to take certain steps.

At some of these we balked. We thought we could find an easier, softer way. But we could not. With all the earnestness at our command, we beg of you to be fearless and thorough from the very start. Some of us have tried to hold on to our old ideas and the result was nil until we let go absolutely.

Remember that we deal with alcohol, cunning, baffling, powerful! Without help it is too much for us. But there is One who has all power that One is God. May you find Him now!

Half measures availed us nothing. We stood at the turning point. we asked His protection and care with complete abandon.

Here are the steps we took, which are suggested as a program of recovery:

do 90 in 90

get a sponsor

work the steps

take commitments

sponsor newcomers


That formula works

I have rarely seen a person fail that thoroughly followed that path

pinch your nose, close your eyes, and jump, ask for help halfway down, we'll be here to welcome you and tell you the waters just fine

I am an Atheist/Agnostic/Heathen/Pagan so Religious beliefs are no bar to spiritual awakenings, we define a spiritual awakening as a personality change sufficient to bring about recovery from alcoholism, our more religious members call it "God Consciousness"

ABETTERWAY wrote:

So how do I stop doing this to myself every 2 weeks?

I know I need a sponsor.



You answer your own questions actually

The answer is contained in the first 164 pages of the book our Fellowship is based on and is named after, you have your answer, it's just time to become willing to go to any lengths

The alcoholic at certain times has no effective mental defense against the first drink. Except in a few cases, neither he nor any other human being can provide such a defense. His defense must come from a Higher Power.

What you came looking for, you came looking with, now it is time to access your Higher Power by working the steps, an unsuspected inner resource that is found within that the steps will give you access to that will enable you to recover from this pitiless and fatal disease




please keep coming back, we care so much, we really really do, you really are "home"






-- Edited by LinBaba on Sunday 19th of December 2010 11:13:05 PM

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