I really don't know were to start. I drink almost every night. Not to the point of passing out. But every night I have some drinks and if I am going to be honest I must say that I throw in a percocet or two. I feel fine in the mornings (most of the time) I still get up and take care care of my family and home. And go to wk everyday in a hot nasty warehouse. But I suffer from bad headaches that only come in the evening is this caused from the alcohol? My husband and children aren't aware of how much I drink. The kids are in bed and my husband is gone a lot. I guess I drink because I am lonely. I am sorry about the babbling. I just don't know were to turn. I don't want anyone to know, or to think that I have a problem. Do I have a problem? Help.
In AA we say that it does not matter how often or how much you drink but it does matter what happens when you drink. If it is causing problems in your life you may have a problem. These twenty questions may help you decide for yourself.
Please note that this is from John Hopkins Medical Center. In AA we never judge a person to be alcoholic. That is a decision that we each have to make on our own
Larry,
1. Do you lose time from work due to your drinking?
2. Is drinking making your home life unhappy?
3. Do you drink because you are shy with other people?
4. Is drinking affecting your reputation?
5. Have you ever felt remorse after drinking?
6. Have you gotten into financial difficulties as a result of your drinking?
7. Do you turn to lower companions and an inferior environment when drinking?
8. Does your drinking make you careless of your family's welfare?
9. Has your ambition decreased since drinking?
10. Do you crave a drink at a definite time daily?
11. Do you want a drink the next morning?
12. Does drinking cause you to have difficulty in sleeping?
13. Has your efficiency decreased since drinking?
14. Is drinking jeopardizing your job or business?
15. Do you drink to escape from worries or troubles?
16. Do you drink alone?
17. Have you ever had a complete loss of memory as a result of your drinking?
18. Has your physician ever treated you for drinking?
19. Do you drink to build up your self-confidence?
20. Have you ever been in a hospital or institution on account of drinking?
If you have answered YES to any one of the questions, there is a definite warning that you may be an alcoholic.
If you have answered YES to any two, the chances are that you are an alcoholic.
If you have answered YES to three or more, you are definitely an alcoholic.
Hello Star, welcome to the board. This question, that you ask, is supposed to be answered by you after taking a good look at your situation and doing some comparing to other's stories. You can read the "Big Book" of AA here for free http://www.aa.org/bigbookonline/en_tableofcnt.cfm. There are many personal stories, and you can start by reading Bill's story. But to try and answer your question, I'd say that if your here and questioning your drinking than probably Yes. It's usually a bit worse than we think, as alcohol tends to cloud our thinking and judgment. We have a saying that "The alcoholic is usually the last to know". The good news is that there is life after booze and life is very good. Death, jail, and mental institutions, Not so good. Why don't you call the AA phone number in your book (or look it up in google AA intergroup your town) and talk to someone there. The phones are manned (and Womanned) by recovering alcoholics that have been right were you're at. They can suggest a Speakers meeting for you to attend in close to you, so that you can hear 2 people talk about how it was, how they got sober, and how their life is now. Then you will have some information to make your decision. Good luck in your new journey.
Welcome Star! If you are here,you may be there!.Stick around and help us stay sober.One of our biggest helps is following program suggestions,you in?Nice meeting you....
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Geeze louise.......I answered yes to all but maybe 3 of the questions. why did it take me so long. I guess all in Gods time.
lol -- me too. I scored about a 16. Course, even if I had seen the Hopkins checklist back whenever, I'd have said that it was wrong.
Welcome Star. Your drinking story sounds similar to my own in many respects. The best thing that has ever happened to me was finally admitting that I was powerless over booze and that my life had become unmanageable. That was the key that opened the rest of the AA program, which in a relatively short period has changed my life beyond all recognition. I'm not waking up with hangover anymore, I didn't drink today (even though I had lots of stress at work and even though on the way back I saw people drinking at a pub) and I didn't even think about it.
However, in my case, it took me a few months in AA to really get that awareness -- b/c I wasn't a bottle of vodka and pills kind of person, I kept looking for a way out of being an alkie. One day, it just clicked. But, in my case, that fighting did not yield very positive results but sure did allow me to feel a whole bunch more pain and horror.
Keep coming back -- I never believed it, but this program really does work, if you work it. :)
With The Blues, if you gotta ask, you'll never know
With Alcoholism if you gotta ask, you already know
Welcome, you are in the right place, alcoholism and addiction are an equal opportunity destroyer, the people afflicted are not "bad", they are sick, and there is help, there is a solution, it's contained in the first 164 pages of the Book "Alcoholics Anonymous"
Try a meeting, listen, see if you relate, try more then one meeting, you will be welcomed
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Ask a professional. We're a bunch of alcoholics. Sure, we're working to get better and have experienced a bit more about addiction than the average person, but we're still just a bunch of hopeful alkies.
We love you. We welcome you. Got diagnostic questions? Ask a pro.
Ask a professional. We're a bunch of alcoholics. Sure, we're working to get better and have experienced a bit more about addiction than the average person, but we're still just a bunch of hopeful alkies.
I didn't have any luck with the "Pro's" personally unless they were sober members of AA, and I dealt with MANY, I have yet to meet a non-alcoholic that truly knows what it is like to suffer from this disease or have any good suggestions other then "go to AA" to arrest this disease, however I had luck talking to alcoholics who were recovered from a seemingly hopeless condition of mind and body by working the 12 steps
I am not a "hopeful alkie" I am a sober alkie for whom the problem has been removed, there is a world of difference
Highly competent psychiatrists who have dealt with us have found it sometimes impossible to persuade an alcoholic to discuss his situation without reserve. Strangely enough, wives, parents and intimate friends usually find us even more unapproachable than do the psychiatrist and the doctor.
But the ex-problem drinker who has found this solution, who is properly armed with facts about himself, can generally win the entire confidence of another alcoholic in a few hours. Until such an understanding is reached, little or nothing can be accomplished.
That the man who is making the approach has had the same difficulty, that he obviously knows what he is talking about, that his whole deportment shouts at the new prospect that he is a man with a real answer, that he has no attitude of Holier Than Thou, nothing whatever except the sincere desire to be helpful; that there are no fees to pay, no axes to grind, no people to please, no lectures to be endured these are the conditions we have found most effective. After such an approach many take up their beds and walk again.
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1. Can I stop drinking after having only 1 drink every time I drank ? 2. Can I stop drinking completely - on my own resources ?
I answered No to both and therefor realized I was powerless over alcohol. And it didnt take long to come to the realization that my life was unmanageable either.
1. Can I stop drinking after having only 1 drink every time I drank ? 2. Can I stop drinking completely - on my own resources ?
I answered No to both and therefor realized I was powerless over alcohol. And it didnt take long to come to the realization that my life was unmanageable either.
Im done with step 1 and I move on to 2 .....
Bingo. So hopeful. That was my eureka moment too.
It took me a loooonng time to get there, which is why, though I had ostensibly started working the steps after that, the rest of the program it didn't work for me. I hadn't done the first things things first.
I finally did that (and that was only b/c I kept coming back and listening, even my sponsor couldn't get that into my head), and the program immediately started to work.
Aloha Star...and I believe you already have answered your question and have come looking for help and support. Got to the right door right away so it maybe that there is some other concerned person directing your search. I had that happen the same way and ended up referring to that person as my Higher Power. You hit Miracles in Progress and a bunch of sober people who can tell you what they found out, what they learned and how it is for them now. They are all life savers and are great listeners and greater to listen to. Did you take the test already? How did you score? For me I took the test long after I decided I had a problem and decided to do what you have just done here...go and listen and listen and learn and learn and practice what these people did and do today. I have not had a drink or a valium or percocet percodan, darvoset, or any mind altering, mood altering chemical in a long time. With practice I learned how to live chemically free and lonliness is never ever an issue anymore which I never had to drink over anyway.
Keep coming back...welcome. Let us give to you what was freely given to us and which has given our lives back better than ever. In support ((((hugs))))
Welcome Star - I'm glad you're here. I, nor anyone else can tell you if you're an alcoholic. After answering those questions you decide.
I too, at first, did not want anyone to know that I was looking for help. The good news is that my family, and the friends I didn't have anymore, didn't need to know. The second word in A.A. name is Anonymous. My alcoholism is mine to share if I choose.
Please come back, we'd love to help you get started on your recovery path, if you are an alcoholic.
Some people hate to hear this and I did too at first, but today I am a very grateful recovering alcoholic.
In my own alcoholism, I was not completely sold on the idea that I was an alcoholic, so my 1st relapse nearly cost me my life. When I returned to AA, I was not going to play around any more. Alcoholism is like Russian roulette. I sought to get the best sponsorship. I asked questions. I helped others. I got involved in AA. I found out much later that I was a real alcoholic and I got better. That was 22 years ago. On Pg 20-21 of the AA book is a very good description of the 3 types of drinkers. Read it and see where you fit in. On pg 44 of the AA book, 2 questions are asked in the 1st paragraph. Answer them honestly and diagnose yourself. If you still not sure AA gives you what I call the acid test on Pg31 last paragraph. I hope that you find what the problem is soon so that you can get with your recovery.
I am fairly new here, just 2 months sober. Answering Larry's questions are a good place to start...I could answer yes to so many of them.
My drinking was getting out of control: drinking everyday, started to drink on my lunch hour, binge drank when my husband was not home, sneaked alcohol whenever I could, hid bottles so my husband couldnt see, and the most scary for me was drinking when I was caring for my 3 year old daughter (even drinking and driving with her)...
My therapist told me to go to AA. I knew in my head that I was starting down a slippery slope of something really bad happening because of my drinking so I started attending meetings everyday.
I still cannot say out loud in meetings that I am an "alcoholic", but I can very easily say "I am powerless over alcohol, and my life had become unmanageable..."
I am still trying to wrap my head around alot of the steps in AA, but I do find alot of comfort going to my meetings, the people I meet are just great, and are just so wise.
Try a couple meetings in your area, if the first one doesnt "feel" right, try another till you find your "home"...you will know when you find the right meeting.
Your drinking sounds a lot like mine. I drank almost every night, rarely went out - I drank at home. My wife and kids at the time were "morning people" and went to bed early. If they saw me drink on most nights, it was just one or two beers. After everybody went to bed, I did my serious drinking. I didn't drink to passing out every night, or even completely wasted drunk. I drank anywhere from 3 to 15 beers, sometimes I'd drink booze and I'd easily put away half a fifth, and at times a whole fifth. I went to work every day - my job was not physical which was probably a good thing, because I usually was hung over.
This pretty much describes my entire drinking "career", the only change being the frequency and quantity. In younger days I was a weekend drinker although I had an early on preference for loading up on Sunday nights. I would drink 1-3 beers on weeknights otherwise. This just steadily increased over a period of 13 years, until I was drinking every night and putting away a 12 pack or better more often than not. There were nights I didn't drink or only had a couple, but they were less and less common.
After reading the Big Book and a few months sober, it clicked. If I compared the quantity I drank, or the amount of trouble I had gotten into (yet) with some of the others I had met and heard their stories, I'd come up a lightweight. But when it came to the mental obsession with alcohol part of the story, it had been with me always, from the very beginning of my drinking. Even if I had not yet drank enough to damage my liver, or go to jail, or wreck my car, or lose my job, my life still revolved around alcohol. Alcohol had such importance to me that I tailored my drinking to avoid trouble, avoid driving, avoid conflict with the family. People who aren't alcoholics don't do stuff like that.
I went to AA to find out if I was an alcoholic, or if I could curtail my drinking back the way it used to be. I haven't found it necessary to take a drink of alcohol since then. My life has gotten nothing but better. People who know me and never really saw me get into a lot of trouble back then say "You can't be an alcoholic". Well this program for alcoholics - don't drink, go to meetings, say your prayers, clean house - it sure has worked well for me. So I guess that makes me one.
I'm with the "If you asked the question, you already have your answer" crowd. The fact that you are even wondering if it's a problem only means it hasn't progressed to the point of being life and death......YET. Better to address it now. Also, you won't know if the headaches are caused by drinking unless you stop drinking long enough to find out. If you can't do this to find out if you have a serious medical problem, then you definitely have a problem with alcohol and or drugs.
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I just want to say thank you to everyone you have helped me a lot. I scored 8 on the test so I guess that says it all. I am going to keep coming back. I have decided that I am going to stop drinking. I can't go to a meeting then I would have to tell my husband and I am not ready for that. But I will stay here. It is the time of day were I would be having my first drink. But not tonight. So I will go clean the kitchen. Hugs till later. :)
I just want to say thank you to everyone you have helped me a lot. I scored 8 on the test so I guess that says it all. I am going to keep coming back. I have decided that I am going to stop drinking. I can't go to a meeting then I would have to tell my husband and I am not ready for that. But I will stay here. It is the time of day were I would be having my first drink. But not tonight. So I will go clean the kitchen. Hugs till later. :)
OK, this is where it gets tricky
you are about to attempt to quit drinking alone, unaided, in secret, using self will
this has always been all of our first attempt, we here, all of us have tried to do the same
and failed
or we wouldn't be here
now the important thing, if you fail, and the chances are VERY high you will with this method, alcoholic, heavy drinker, whatever, the chances for success are just the other side of miniscule, if you fail...
THEN IT IS TIME TO ASK FOR HELP
not give up, or beat yourself up, or think wth and go on the bender to end all benders
if you fail, it is just one more "no" changing to a "yes" on the "Do I have a problem with alcohol?"
If you are truly an alcoholic, you won't be able to stop for anything like a year in all probability, so if you drink, just think of it as useful information and an indication you can't do this alone
If it does work praise be, give us a hollaback a year from today and we'll tell you happy Bday
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I answered yes 8 times so I have my answer. Now I just have to figure out how to deal with it. My husband comes home Sunday, Maybe I will find the courage to tell him. I am so afraid of what he will say. But more afraid of what I may become if I don't get my self together. I can already see the look of failure in his eyes. This is soooo much to deal with.
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I answered yes 8 times so I have my answer. Now I just have to figure out how to deal with this alone I am to afaid to let anyone know, at least for now.
((((Star)))))
I know and understand
if you can't deal with it alone, don't let that kill you, don't let that fear rob you of your family and children, if you can't deal with it alone, get help, start by being honest
Do what ya gotta do because you are going to do it anyway, but if you really got 8 out of 20, and not more even, doing it alone won't work in all likelihood, if what you do doesn't work, please please please, remember we (Alcoholics Anonymous) are here, go to a meeting, ask for help, there are meetings at noon, at 7AM
We can help, and we are here
Now go do what ya gotta do, knowing there is a safety net under you if you fall
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Star, you are in my thoughts and prayers. When I first realized I was an alcoholic many years ago, I was terrified of admitting it to those closest to me. To my surprise (and now looking back, no surprise at all), EVERYONE KNEW I WAS A DRUNK BUT ME. They were RELIEVED that I finally "got it" and opened my mind up to the possibility that no, I was not perfect, yes I had a problem, and at long last I was looking for a way to do something about it.
(((((hugs))))) Joni
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At the time I came to my first meeting, I would be a yes on 11 of the 20. I remember going over that list and thinking I had 10 or 11, only about 50% and thought that's not too bad. Then I read the part about 1, 2, 3 or more... LOL.
i am here at MIP because i do have an allergy and disease. Alcohol consumed me. before i got sober i lived to just to drink. nothing else mattered. me and my booze. my life was no longer mine, i was no longer me. drinking leads to hell and while drinking i did not care. if i had a drink in my hand that was all i needed. i am sober almost 18 months and the thought does pop up about having a drink. my experience is if i have one drink i will have another and another.... maybe not immediately, but i will drink more and lose the life i am now enjoying. we do not have to be sober alone, thank God. even when i am by myself i am not alone. life is much better now so i will stick with the AA program. it works for me. hugs and prayers jj
I had 17 of them...go figure. And what is odd is that now at about 21 months sober my "forgetter" is telling me it wasn't that bad.. Um...yah. It was that bad.
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I had 17 of them...go figure. And what is odd is that now at about 21 months sober my "forgetter" is telling me it wasn't that bad.. Um...yah. It was that bad.
-- Edited by pinkchip on Saturday 19th of June 2010 07:22:52 AM
Huh, I guess I'm not the only one with a fully functioning forgetter! :P
I can only repeat what many others have said, and its the whole purpose of this site, if you are on the internet looking for an answer, you already know it, just need it to be validated. Now, there is absolutely no shame in being an alcoholic, what is a shame is when we know it and don't do anything about it. You will not believe this, but your hubby will probably already know too, and if not, he'll be proud of your honesty and willingness to do something about it.
Question: Do you think non alcoholics wait for everyone to go to bed, and drink in hiding from the rest of the world?? I think thats another question you already know the answer to.
Do you think non alcoholics are searching for an answer on the internet when the rest of the world is sleeping? You already know that answer as well.
Welcome Home... you are right where you belong,.... breath, let yourself have a chance, work with us here, and hopefully soon you will cross the bridge of faith and step into your first AA meeting in your community. It will be a great experience for you.