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and we read step number 4 (from the 12 & 12).  Lot's of good stuff in there and it's been awhile since I've read it.  Maybe it's time for another step 4.  How about a roll call.  Have you done your 4th step yet?  If so, how was it, and if not, when?  biggrin

-- Edited by StPeteDean on Sunday 16th of May 2010 08:23:11 PM

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Check

8 in various forms, 5 in the column format (included in the eight) due for another, the last was alanon slanted, a little heavy on the resentments, I was pret-ty angry at my family lol

I love what Bill writes about step 4 in the 12 x 12...and...5...and 6....and 7....

Personally i found, and still find that stuff helpful, God gave us instincts for a purpose, but it's the perversion of them that get us in trouble

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Doing another one right now..... had to put down for 2 days due to funeral and family around..... (and I have plenty more I had forgotten about, so it's all good!)

I really hope that I can learn to take regular inventory, like on paper, in Step 10, ongoing so I don't have a heaping mess to deal with every, oh, every 2-3 years?

I am really enjoying the 12&12 on Step 4 now too, it is an amazing book and chock full or great stuff.

(((hugs)))
Joni

P.S. my meeting tonight was a lead, and it was yet another young person who blasted through the steps.... his sponsor was the young guy who led last week... these kids are on fire and I wish them the best. They are talking about the Steps in their leads, there is a whole pack of them running around sober together. It gives me fond memories...

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jonijoni1 wrote:
it was yet another young person who blasted through the steps.....

They are talking about the Steps in their leads, there is a whole pack of them running around sober together.




Hmmm, makes one wonder if there is cause and effect there.....hmmm.....



-- Edited by AGO on Sunday 16th of May 2010 11:01:12 PM

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Dean,

I did steps 4 and 5 back to back.  Finally my deepest secrets, fears and guilt were out in the open.  It was a very liberating experience for me.  This was 33 years ago. My sponsor was not a believer in redoing step 4.  He taught me that was covered by step 10 on a daily basis.  

This has served me well, but always remember what keeps me sober may get you drunk.

If a person wants to redo step 4 it certainly will not harm them as far as I can see and infact if they believe it to be beneficial to them it will be.

There is always more than one road to any given destination.   I hope I never reach the end because the journey is what it is all about and it has been a real blast.  

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Thanks Dean. Just got back from a 4th&5th step weekend. It is great. Most of my sponsees took their 5th step with me, but I found myself taking mine with them also.

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Yep, done step 4 a couple times. first time was a 100 questions about you and you're life etc sort of thing. it did the job, but with my own sponsees I recommend exactly as in teh book. So i re did it exactly as in the book.

I recommended it that way as several people (including Charlie and Joe) told me that was the best way, so i thought I'd better do it myself to make sure I had a better idea of what I was talking about.

the first one brought me down to the depths, but step 5 resolved all that. The second one was more dispassionate, but more useful.

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good morning MIP family.  i did my 4th step and am currently on my 8th.  i already know i will be doing the steps, especially the 4th step again because i am learning we change as we grow and need to address things we did not see the first time around.  thanks for calling roll.  
;)  jj

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i went through the steps pretty early in recovery. i did a step 4/5 with my sponsor.
i dont remeber it being a big list of resentmens that were eating me up. it was more a list of bad things i had done and small resentments. and basically telling another living soul about the shameful stuff i had done to others and having them not freak out on me and treat me like i was a human not a horrible evil thing.

i told my sponsor a big list and then i also did what i call a long step 4 /5 with my counsellor . i went into more details with the counsellor. Some of my stuf i told a counsellor because it was intertwined with the effects of bing a survivor of child abuse and she was my outside help for that outside issue.

telling my sponsor and then also a counsellor about these things was like a massive huge weight of crap being lifted off my shoulders. i KNOW for sure if i had not of told sponsor and then counsellor this stuff i would have most certainly drunk again. i felt like crap carrying all that crappy shameful stuff around and telling them was like wow, acceptanace, they didnt act like i was gross or horrible. my sponsor didnt bat a eye and that was VERY healing and uplifting for me.

I have not done a 10 properly on paper, well i have attempted to but then forget, so no not really kept up with step 10.

i know i need to redo the steps, ive done a step one with a sponsor a few times since getting sober. as my mind has gone hairwire a few times and ive become obsessed with doutbing whether or not i really am a real alki.

i am praying for the willingness to do another step 4/5/ well all the steps really. i started on another step 4 then stopped. My sponsor says i need to do work on 3 but ive not asked her for help as shes busy. i should ask really i know it will help me to redo them all.

but yeh i need another 4/5. its bad i have seen how bad my 'sober' behaviour has been towards some areas of my life, and i do owe some people amends also, since sobering up. ive not been the best shining example of soberity and level headedness. Progress not perfection i guess.

i am doing prayer and meditation and i am finding so much comfort and peace in meditation. My current sponsor meditates. I wish i had started sooner and i pray i will keep it up. I find a real connection to something i dont know what exactly, something spiritual i am thinking is HP with meditation.


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jj wrote:

good morning MIP family.  i did my 4th step and am currently on my 8th.  i already know i will be doing the steps, especially the 4th step again because i am learning we change as we grow and need to address things we did not see the first time around.  thanks for calling roll.  
;)  jj



My experience was "more will be revealed" as well, my initial fourth steps was just about some of my grosser handicaps no matter how in depth I got, it was fantastic, but it was superficial because I was superficial, my subsequent 4th steps were more about "causes and conditions" and underlying character defects, the root of the things that had laid me low, the family of origin stuff, the subsequent recreations and repetitions of those patterns in relationships etc the following fourth steps were what allowed me to grow as a person, and then cleared the plate so that I went into therapy I wasn't hanging on to a mountain of denial and we got to skip a few years of the denial breaking aspect of therapy and we could get right into the good stuff.

 



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it is done. working 6th step and all these willingness exercises and developing a plan for how to be rid of defects. God won't take them unless i am open to having them replaced by other behaviors and become aware of what those are.

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