You just did what you were told, and the funny thing?
it worked
it worked for everybody I know
I came to AA young, so I listened, and there was a strong program in my area, which was The San Francisco Bay Area in the early 90's, actually right north, place called Marin, which was famous for how idiotic it was in the 80's and how hard we partied.
We copulated like bunnies, we snorted houses and business, we drank and crashed cars, we did uppers, downers, acid, ex, we got married and divorced, we were in movies and rock bands, we rode that wild wave until the wheels fell off
Then we came to AA
we dragged ass into a meeting, our wives tossed us out, we got fired from our jobs, I was homeless when I came in, it was something out of a bad movie.
Almost everyone I partied with is sober now, everyone I know has between 17 and 35 years of sobriety, or they aren't alcoholics, except for my old sponsees, but they are almost all in double digit sobriety now, everyone I got sober with is still sober.
So why was I lucky?
Because AA was so very very simple then
I walked into a meeting and was given a hug and asked why I was there
When I said "because I have a problem with alcohol" they said "welcome, you are in the right place Keep coming back and do 90 meetings in 90 days"
within a week I was taken outside and talked to, it was explained to me what I did didn't work, that everything I knew was wrong, and that there was something wrong with my thinking, that there was literally something wrong with my brains, and that I was literally insane (see step 2 please) so it would be best if I sit down and shut up and listened and try to learn something, that if what I did worked I wouldn't have to go to these AA meetings.
I was expected to get a sponsor as soon as possible, so I did.
I asked a guy to be my sponsor, he asked me if I was ready to go to any lengths (and he F^%$ing meant any lengths)
I said yes, so he said:
you have identified yourself as an alcoholic in the program of alcoholics Anonymous, that means you have admitted the problem, you have told the truth, you don't get to use that as an excuse for your bullshit behavior ANY MORE, from here on out, you need to mean what you say, and say what you mean, you don't get to lie any more, you've gone through your whole life lying, and it stops here, it stops with me, I'm the one person in the whole world you have to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth to, and if you have a problem with that, go find another sponsor, I got no problem with that, after you practice with me for awhile, you maybe will learn how to start telling the truth to others, all we have in this life is our word, it's the single most important thing that defines you as a man, and if your word is no good, you are no good, so it's time to rebuild that starting now. The fact you have admitted to God, to yourself, and to a group of alcoholics that you are an alcoholic means you don't ever have to take another drink again, you don't have any excuse to drink ever again, and if you do, it's because you lied to yourself.
It was explained if I couldn't teach anyone how to get drunk, and I couldn't teach anyone how to get sober, I should probably not speak at all.
Within 2 weeks it was expected I picked up at least 4-5 commitments, making coffee, sweeping the floor, coffee clean up, greeter at the door, chair set up, put away chairs, whatever, I was told to get there early, and leave late, and always always always look for newcomers, I was there to help people, not to play grab-ass and get laid, every night (or almost every night) we'd go to dinner, or denny's or out to ice cream after the meeting, we stayed up all night 2-3 days a week, talking what else? Sobriety. We threw sober parties, and went to "toothbrush meetings" and dances, on Saturdays maybe 600? of us went to "Drunks without Dates" a big speaker meeting and we'd all go out dancing afterwards.
within 6 months it was expected I would be through my steps, and start looking for sponsees, and get 4-5 new commitments, it was also expected I would take the next 6 months and study the traditions, both at traditions meetings and with my sponsor and grandsponsor
at a year it was expected I would upgrade commitments and start getting into service, and have had at least attempt to get 3 sponsees through the steps, although if you succeeded with one you were doing good, start being secretary, get into H and I etc and do the steps again since "more will be revealed" and my brains were beginning to clear, I was also allowed to start sharing at meetings, since I had gone through the steps and taken a sponsee through the steps, it was felt now I had something to offer.
at 2 years I upgraded commitments again, GSR, treasurer, although these were 2 year commitments, at this point it was acceptable to only have 2-3 commitments a week, I could also begin to start taking meetings into jails and institutions. I was also expected to do the steps again, and around this time we started carpooling to Joe and Charlie Big Book seminars every year.
Every single person I hung out with also followed this formula, because we were young, we didn't know any better, these guys were old and mean, and they used to grab me by the ear and drag me out of the meeting when I said or did something particularly stupid and yell at me, my grandsponsor had gotten sober in 1942 and he looked like Yoda and he would get so exasperated with me he would sputter like a tea kettle and sailors driving by 3 counties away would stop and write down what he was saying because it was better then anything they ever heard.
This is just how it was, anyone who didn't work the steps was a "still suffering alcoholic" and we'd watch them go in and out, sometimes they'd get a year here or there, but they weren't willing and it showed, their lives didn't change, they didn't change, many times after a few years of in and out and their lives not changing they'd get it and jump in. Or they would drink or commit suicide.
I've seen a lot of that over the years
We'd have people slip and or relapse, but if they had worked the steps, they always came back, if they didn't, maybe they did, maybe they didn't, it was just a given, you come to AA, you work the steps, you do what you were told, that's just how it was.
We all got sober and out of everyone I know, all those people I used to go to dinner and Denny's, and Ice cream with? I am almost the only that drank, we all have lives, we all stay in touch, in the past 48 hours I have talked to almost 10 of those boys and girls.
so maybe there is something to that silly reading they do in the beginning of every meeting
Rarely have we seen a person fail who has thoroughly followed our path
90 in 90 get commitments get a sponsor work the steps learn the traditions get sponsees get into service go where we go and do what we do
in short
become a member of AA, as in a participating member, I was taught not only would I not stay sober if I stole my sobriety, but it would be the lowest form of disrespect to "get my hot dog and go home", that it was now my responsibility as a MEMBER of AA to give back, and mere meeting attendance didn't make me a member any more then sticking chicken feathers up my ass made me a chicken. That to do that would be like an ingrate teen that just lives off their parents, running in, getting what they need, eating the cookies, drinking the coffee, making a mess then leaving, that it was time for me to grow up.
My gift for all this?
SOBRIETY
They say it works if you work it, I can say that is a true statement, I can say I have never seen it fail for someone who has thoroughly followed it's path
This is all just my experience, there is no opinion, or judgement of anyone, this is just what it was like for me, and all those who got and stayed sober with me.
Things were different 20 years ago even
So I'm reading this, it seems so mean, I seem so mean, everyone seems so mean
The funny thing?
I learned what love means in AA, I learned what a real family is and does in AA, these people carried me when I couldn't carry myself, and I carried them when they couldn't carry themselves, I have let people cry in my arms, and live on my couch, and people have held me when I cried and given me a place in their homes.
I have NO secrets from these people
These people are far more my family then those people who share my name and look like me, and that sounds sad, but it isn't, it's happy. I got to find out what family really means.
I literally didn't know what love was until I came to AA and was sponsored, and started sponsoring, those were the first healthy relationships I have ver had in my life.
Love is an action word, it's what we do, not what we say, and AA is a program of action
that action is love, that love is if you go to any lengths, we'll to go any lengths for you
-- Edited by AGO on Tuesday 11th of May 2010 09:05:20 PM
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The harder I work the the AA program the luckier I get
Larry, ------------ "When you're in jail, a good friend will be trying to bail you out. A best friend will be in the cell next to you saying, 'Damn, that was fun.'" ---Unknown
The harder I work the the AA program the luckier I get
Larry, ------------ "When you're in jail, a good friend will be trying to bail you out. A best friend will be in the cell next to you saying, 'Damn, that was fun.'" ---Unknown
You HUSSY!!!
I thought you were a married man too Larry, shame on you tut tut
hehehehehehe
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"This is just how it was, anyone who didn't work the steps was a "still suffering alcoholic" and we'd watch them go in and out, sometimes they'd get a year here or there, but they weren't willing and it showed, their lives didn't change, they didn't change, many times after a few years of in and out and their lives not changing they'd get it and jump in. Or they would drink or commit suicide." ----------------------------------------
You are telling my story tonight, within your own, AGO. I need to make a serious commitment and do the work. This is what I discovered at the best lead meeting I have ever been to tonight. Please see my post above this one for further elaboration on this...
and again....
thank you.
-- Edited by jonijoni1 on Tuesday 11th of May 2010 09:08:10 PM
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Hey Ago, Its funny that you mention how the west coast meetings were laid out. I got into a bit of a tiff on another web board with a guy from Ca who defended his rigid position on an issue by claiming "that is the way it is done" and I am sure that if he could have twisted my ear he would have. I now have a better understanding of why! Tom
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Hey Ago, Its funny that you mention how the west coast meetings were laid out. I got into a bit of a tiff on another web board with a guy from Ca who defended his rigid position on an issue by claiming "that is the way it is done" and I am sure that if he could have twisted my ear he would have. I now have a better understanding of why! Tom
OK, LA thinks we are P*****s up in SF, LA is HARD CORE, look up The Pacific Group, dress codes, suits and ties, dresses, uh huh ooooh, listen to Clancy and Chuck C, phew, and these people think my people are too soft lolol like we are the granola crunchin liberals up here lolol
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thing is I see a success rate like that of they talk about in the book with those that jump in, every single person I know that "did the deal", every single one is still sober 20 years later, and I see in meetings with people who "do the deal" the 50% at once, 25% relapse and come back and get it, which is a 75% success rate, which is a far cry above the national average of one in 50 or one in 20 whatever it is now with "here's a hug, tell us about your day we love you keep coming back the steps are optional take what you like and leave the best don't worry about reading that pesky book or taking commitments this is group therapy share share share your fucking problems and going to meetings and whining about your problems and giving your phone number to others IS the program" bullshit they call AA in some places today
of course that is just my clearly unbiased opinion lol
-- Edited by AGO on Tuesday 11th of May 2010 10:02:40 PM
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Suit and tie? That would exclude me. Even at work I wear a clip on and take it off as soon as I get behind a door. It is great that they have a high success rate. More power to them. Tom
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Interesting that you would title this the way you did. I always had the same feeling but not for the same reasons.
My take on the "lucky part" was that is was so very PC to be getting sober in just those "times".....
It seemed that there was absolutely no stigma to being an alcoholic in Recovery, almost like if you were not an alcoholic or drug addict doing their recovery, sort of like every one needed to be in a 12 Step Program of Recovery from something, over-eaters, sex and love addicts, smokers anonyous, gamblers anonyomous, and if you did not have any of problems, then a lot of people were hooking in with the Miracles in Progress workshops, in Tiburon and all over the county.....I recall those great times as everyone is just getting better, from something..
Does this all ring a bell???
Well your Post brought up something that has had me stumped, sort of....how could two people that grew up in San Francisco, and have almost 20 years of Recovery thru the AA Program, NOT know or remember each other, then after reading your Post, think I sort of figured out a little maybe to the why?
My first year and a half were in Seattle and Portland, then when I moved back to California, I shared a Novato condo with the owner, an old friend of mine....and stayed there til I found a job as an apartment Manager in Ignacio, Ca. still on the northern side of Marin, and you were in Southern Marin mostly, right. Most of my meeting were in the Northern end, but I did travel around a lot to different meetings, like the ones we talked about in PMs. .At about 5 years of doing that and one other job, I moved to the Central Part, San Rafael, and my Home Group for many years was the 930 am every Sunday, at the Alano Club, and also the 600pm, M-F, five nights a week.....
As far as my own Recovery, and how I did it, you know I had a 7 year streach to peeking in at meetings, the swinging door of AA was just the way it was, and the AA Waltz what my dance I danced.....cannot even tell you how many times. So with so much fear of returning to my old familiar life of Relapsing and doing that same dance, I did all the things you outlined, maybe 350 meetings in each of the first 3 or 4 years of my Recovery, my 4th Sponsor, the one that saved my ass, was a woman by the name of Teddy, she was pretty senior then, so probably not around again longer. She was the toughest sponsor, and I needed a real tough sponsor.....
Thinking now that this might have been better to put in a PM, but I did want to comment on the Board as to why I saw getting sober when I did was a fantastic time to be getting Sober.....
Anyway thanks for your post, It was and STILL is a great time to be Sober, just one day at a time...
Happy Wednesday All Toni.
-- Edited by Just Toni on Wednesday 12th of May 2010 06:45:33 PM
Our own Huey Lewis recorded an album called "Sports" around then, with our very own 2Am Club as the album cover (remember that guy who made toilet seat guitars?) with a song on it call "Hip to be square" and it was
There was so much money and alcohol and drugs and sailboats and private planes and mansions and BMW's and drinking drinking drinking just no thought of consequences
What was that Austin Powers said?
as long as people are still having promiscuous sex with many anonymous partners without protection while at the same time experimenting with mind-expanding drugs in a consequence-free environment, I'll be sound as a pound!
I remember going to the Tuesday Night Chip to get my very first chip, a 30 day chip I think, it was my first chip meeting, I walk down the aisle and there is 600 people screaming and yelling and whistling and cheering and I had an out of body experience, it was surreal, and when I got all the way back there was like 30 people waiting to hug me, I thought they were going to drag me outside and kick my ass because I had been their bartender and drug dealer, I thought it was my fault they were all there and I had wondered where they all had disappeared to, and they all said "We were wondering when you were going to get here"
It was OK to get sober then and there, I remember going to Jenny Lows on Thursdays and there would be easily 100 of us there having dinner, and every sponsee I took for the first time would be so blown away, everywhere we went I knew people, every store, every restaurant was FULL of people from AA, they'd ask if we were a secret society
It's STILL like that there, and there are getting younger, we were in our 20's, now there are meetings with hundreds and hundreds of teens early 20 somethings, I follow the mcypaa acypaa sacypaa crew on facebook, they are crazier then we ever were
I have been to meetings in many places and a few continents, and I loved London AA, but what else did Austin Powers say?
I remember Teddy BTW I think from the Alano Club, I'll ask trish
I did a lot of alano nooners, MV nooners, st izzy's, tues chip, straw sun, the 2 doubles in larkspur, the newcomer then the step, then on fri the newcomers then the BB study
Tell me you remember Jack and TK from the 2 hour weekend alano club meeting
Marlene? Armando?
OMFG Armando with that raspy voice "If it wasn't for newcomers I'd NEVER get laid" at group level omg
TK got sober in 76 i think, I think Jack just before or just after
I know we'd recognize each other
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Suit and tie? That would exclude me. Even at work I wear a clip on and take it off as soon as I get behind a door. It is great that they have a high success rate. More power to them. Tom
Yeah, we never had a "dress code" haha, I mean we'd dress up for the Thursday Night Chip, because it was a celebration meeting, and there were hundreds and hundreds of us, and we'd all go out to dinner at nice restaurants for someone who was getting a chip, big flower bouquets etc, and it was an impressive spectacle for a newcomer, seeing four or five hundred alcoholics all dressed well and celebrating sober life.
I was however told that when I was the featured speaker, I was to wear a tie since I was "representing" AA, and I did for I have to admit reasons of my own, because of the impact it had on me when I was new.
I would see a sober, elegantly dressed man or woman step up to the podium and instantly judge them, I'd say to myself that they were obviously a wimp, that no way could they have a story like mine etc etc blah blah judge judge and within 10 minutes they would be telling a story and describing scenes that would have Caligula or Nero barking in admiration and even calling for the bouncers to drag out of their party as being just a bit too risque.
But there they would be, happy, serene, sober, and elegant, and that gave me hope, if someone who had gone so far down the scale could look that good, and dress that nice, and seem so calm...and...just be so normal, and elegant, maybe I could too someday, they had what I wanted.
I always tried to bring that to meetings I spoke at, go in with short hair, dressed well, smelling nice, and I would see all the thugs and criminals and guys that didn't want to be there with their court cards judging me, and whispering and laughing then I would tell my story and watch them sit straight up in their chair and start paying attention, and their attitude towards me change 180 degrees to after the meeting they would come thank me, shake my hand, and go "Daaaang duuuude, you were CRAZY!!!!! and want what I had, which was sobriety, and I smelled nice.
These things seem small, but they aren't, smelling nice, smiling, dressing well, being happy, having friends around that obviously loved these people, who hugged them, these are the things that appealed to me about getting sober, I wanted that, so that is what I tried to bring to the table as a speaker.
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