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Hello Everyone

I'm new to this site, this is my first post.  I sought this site out to ask a question that I think I know the answer to.

I've been sober since Jan 2008.  My first year was great.  My life got better and better all because I wasn't drinking.  I did the work to improve my life but I couldn't have done that if I wasn't sober.

This last six months I have been going downhill.  I suffer from depression, anxiety and bipolar disorder but they are adequately medicated. (Another thing that happened because I was sober..getting diagnosed and medicated! YAY!)

My going downhill seems not to be my 'other issues'.  I do think it's what was referred to as a dry drunk.  I didn't pay too much attention to the definition at the time except to remember that it was something I should be careful to not let slip into my life.

Life is miserable right now.  I love my job but management hate me.  Good job I'm a top performer or they would fire me.  I take a couple of sick days every 4-6 weeks.  My son is a 13 and he's starting some worrying behavior.  My damn dog is a pain in the ass! LOL.  I've got so many projects going on around my house.  I started a kitchen remodel that I've realized I can't afford to finish without doing lots of overtime at work.  But my son hates that because he says he is having to take care of himself too much just like he did when I was drinking. 

So I've cut down on my hours at work, my kitchen has stalled.  My dog keeps crapping in my bedroom.  My house is a mess.  I feel like I've taken on too much in even buying this house.  The garden is neglected.  Sure the lawn gets mowed but that's about it. 

I can't feel my higher power anymore.  I'm terrified of that.  It took me a while to develop that and it was a wonderful experience.  It was the key to my sanity.  I used to just sit on my deck in the morning with a cup of coffee (and a cigarette;) and talk to my higher power.  I would thank my HP for the wonderful things, specific things that my HP brought into my life.  I had just started to ask for things.  That took courage on my part to believe that my HP would do things at my request.  It was almost a test of my faith (if that makes sense).

I don't want to drink.  That's not where I want to go.  I don't feel as though drink is pulling me back.  But I know that although I might think that I am most probably wrong.  Since I'm in the same frame of mind as I was when I was drinking.  If I felt like this when I was drinking then today would definitely be a drinking day. 

I want the happy sober feeling back.  I want my life back. I want my HP back.

I feel like the drunk dragging themselves to meetings and just hoping.

I'm the sober person throwing myself down in front of you guys begging for help.

(That's extreme sounding, I know, but true.)

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Well...good thing is you seem to know exactly what to do...You just let it out here so you can begin to let this state of mind go and move forward. Isn't that what you did in the beginning? Simplify, rinse, repeat. Also, hopefully you know this too shall pass... Welcome and hope things get simpler and that you feel better!

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Hi Everyday,

Well I sure see at first glance some things that feel like they are on the Positive side of any list you might want to make, and on that subject, sounds like you could use some time management worksheets,

I feel for you saying you really want your HP back, well I feel that could be accomplished in a simply gesture of getting on your knees, and talking to you HP
directly, and secondly how about a morning Gratitude List??

Purchasing a Home for yourself and your Son, in this economy, that is a complete blessing, all of the other stuff will just fall into place, and if you dont have time for a garden this year, well maybe save it for next year.

If I personally had a dog pooping on my bedroom floor, dont know where I would be putting him, but he would be LOCKED out of my bedroom, no matter what.

My take, your HP is just watching you in your struggles, and is waiting for you to INVITE him back into your life. He never abandoned us, we abandon HIM, and so easy to repair, in my opinion, as an example, God, I cannot do this, I need your guidance, and YOU most of all to re-enter my life, and bring me back to where I was when I was in Your Loving Care and Guidance.

My experience is that when I have ever felt that my HP was no in My life, I simply went back to a lot of Prayer of I Can't, HE Can, and I let HIM.


I made two major moves to homes that I purchased, and recall with so much clarity the role I fell into, it was on my shoulders to manage everything. Organizing, overseeing all the packing, and trasit stuff. so I can really relate to that sort of hyperness that you are communicating, well that is how I see it.

So I am hopeing for you dear that you seek your HP first, and let life on life's terms be what they are.

Let us know how you are doing, and Congratulations on your ability to purchase a home!

I can surrender to my HP again, more completely at any hour, minute of any day.

and I forgot to say, WELCOME, you might find this a great place to visit all the time. Hope you do. Many wonderful people here.

Hugs to You, Toni

Have to come back and add what BGG just asked you, where is your Sponsor, and what Step are you working on????

Throw yourself full force into that surrendering, with a Sponsor, and working the Steps, that will change all that you have written.

Wishing you the Best. XOXOXOX

-- Edited by toni baloney on Saturday 29th of August 2009 02:43:15 PM

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Hello There.  We're glad you are here.  One thing you didn't mention is whether you have a sponsor, and where you are in the 12 Steps.  For me, the Steps are an ongoing, every day process necessary for me to attain and maintain what Bill W referred to as "emotional sobriety," i.e. the opposite of the dreaded "dry drunk."  That you are questioning whether you're experiencing a "dry drunk" is actually an extremely positive sign, because without the recognition that we have a problem -- drunk or sober -- we can't find the solution.

Please keep coming back here and sharing your experience, strength and hope with us.

Love,

BGG

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Aloha Everyday!!

Sounds somewhat like what I've read lately call the "vacuum in existence".  Like
reaching the boredome, giveupitis.  I know this place also and I'm not surprised
to have bumped into you here.  We have the same side conditions with the
depression and the like and still no excuse to drink.  Because of the program I am
more inclined to seek help rather than going it alone like I used to and falling back
over and over.   You've done the right thing in coming to others.  Program is kinda
like Multi-level Marketing only different (lol).  We get a lot of other recovering
people to support our successful recovery.

Overwhelmed?..."Turn it over", "Easy does it", "Let go and leg God (and sponsor)",
"One day at a time",  "When in doubt?...Don't",  "Trust God...Clean house...Help
Others."

You're going into your second year of sobriety.   Celebrate your first and watch
out for apathy and complacency.  You haven't learned it all yet and there are tons
of miracles yet to come if you work for them.  It's good to have goals and plans
and vision and better to have these all with patience and acceptance. (Dr. Paul
page 449 of the 3rd Edition of the BB).

Keep coming back here and thanks for the headsup.  It's just what I need.

smile

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Hey Everyday,

First off, WELCOME to our community. We're GLAD you're here.

i am in my second round of AA, having had 16 months of sobriety four years ago, i am now 90 days sober this coming Friday (Sept. 4). My first 16 months were spent as a dry drunk ... i didn't work the steps, got complacent, let resentments creep back into my life and lost touch with my HP.

i will echo the questions of "What step are you on?" and "Do you have a sponsor?" The steps are a repetitive process ... we use them on any defect of character we discover. You mention resentment at your job ... WORK the 12 steps on resentment. Admit you're powerless to it. Give it to God, and you'll be amazed what God does with it when you give it to Him.

Again, welcome!

joelo

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Hey Everyday.
I am not a doctor, nor do I play one on tv. As I understand the "Dry Drunk" label, it refers to abnormal behavior as a residual effect of drinking. It sounds more like you are dealing with the hard knocks of life sans' alcohol. You are doing great identifying the problems and reacting to them. Work slow but steady. Baby steps. I know that I would have already shot the dog, but thats just me. (That was humor) I would work on my HP first. Thats a tricky topic as everyones HP is different. Since you know one of the places your HP likes to meet you is on the deck in the morning, why don't you go there tomorrow with your coffee and a cigarette and pray and talk with your HP and ask for help and put your troubles one by one in his lap?
Good Luck
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Hi Everyday..Welcome!! I'm a new memeber as well...and I have no advice to really help you since I need all the advice I can get. lol But I wanted to let you know, YOU have accomplished alot!! In my expierence, being the sole person handling it all, it will be there tomorrow...Dont stress. Don't take on more than you can handle. I'm there with the depression etc. But if you keep your faith anything is possible...Dont give up!!!
Hugs!!!!!
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One other thing Everyday...I take meds for depression and anxiety. I self medicated alcohol with that for years. I used to cringe at the part of How it works when they said "some of us have grave mental disorders and their chances are slim" It does say they recover too with the ability to be honest...however, I wouldn't embrace the labels of mental illness too much. I know it's going to take some serious time to sort out what mental problems I really have and what was due to screwing up my brain worse with alcohol and never gaining appropriate copings skils and having any faith. More will be revealed regarding how much outside help you need. I just wanted to comment because you stated you suffer from "depression, bipolar, and anxiety" From a psychological standpoint...you cannot have both bipolar disorder and depression together because bipolar encompasses depression. I tend to overpathologize myself with the knowledge I have of abnormal psych...sometimes it is my worst enemy. Just a suggestion not to fall into labeling yourself with illnesses and problems that you might not have. You know you have 1 label that is for sure and that is alcoholic. The moods and cooky feelings might have been less then (in that first year) because you were focused on healing the alcoholism intensely...the moods and emotions are all tied up in the alcoholism too so try to keep some faith that as you work the program, those problems will lighten up too. That's just what I try to do as one of the million gazillion dually diagnosed alcoholics. I figure it's all a glob of disease and I need AA to work on it all.

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WOW!
You guys are fantastic!




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Reading through your posts I actually felt a happy and excited feeling.  Is it possible to feel the same love in a forum as you feel at a meeting?

I can't wait for tomorrow morning for a chat with my HP. 

In no particular order..

pinkchip...Thank you...you're correct in saying the BP encompasses depression.  I'm happy to have the diagnosis.  I was devastated at first because I had a real mental illness.  Then with acceptance came grief.  The life lost to the highs and lows of BP Disorder.   I had to work through that one.  And like you I self medicated for years. I was in rehab for my first 6mnths of sobriety...that's where my BP was discovered.  Without alcohol it had a free reign....I was rapid cycling.  The highs were awful...I felt like I was taking drugs.  So glad to be medicated now.  You're right the medication isn't the complete answer it doesn't work 100% but it's one of those things that help to make my life more manageable.

Sunshine35...thank you for welcoming me...you come across as really jolly and upbeat...sobriety has that effect doesn't it? ;)

turninggrey...LMAO!  Best tip here...why didn't I think of that...I'll have to wait until it's dark so the neighbors don't see me furious...and make sure it's the day before trash day...with the heat and everything ashamed I loved this line "you know one of the places your HP likes to meet you is on the deck in the morning, why don't you go there tomorrow with your coffee and a cigarette and pray and talk with your HP and ask for help and put your troubles one by one in his lap?"...the wording, everything.  It's just perfect...that really filled me with hope...can't wait for tmrw morning...I really think my HP will be there!

Joelo..thank you for sharing.  This is my first and only time sober except when I was pregnant...I'm so thankful I lost the urge or the taste for alcohol during my pregnancy...I can't bear to think what may have happened otherwise.  I've been a drunk since I was 13...that's 25 years.  I'm hoping that by reaching out to others I can avoid going back to alcohol.  I don't think that would never happen to me...I know it could.  I just know that reaching out gives other people an opportunity to support me and my determination and eases the burden.  I'm really glad that you're back!

JerryF...so glad you're not alone in this and neither am I...and with this fantastic forum and all the other things we do in our lives we have a much better chance of life long sobriety.  "It's good to have goals and plans
and vision and better to have these all with patience and acceptance. "  I really like that.  I'm going to practice it...thank you for bringing me back to that.

BGG...thank you for the encouragement!  "without the recognition that we have a problem -- drunk or sober -- we can't find the solution." Absolutely!  My mind has changed in so many ways since becoming sober and you've just reminded me of one of them.  Recognizing my problems is empowering!!  Just coming here and posting...in total surrender, I have found a strength in doing that.  Thank you so much.

toni_baloney...love the name...clearly an oxymoron biggrin You have said so many wonderful things...I have read and reread your post....This is fantastic!..."God, I cannot do this, I need your guidance, and YOU most of all to re-enter my life, and bring me back to where I was when I was in Your Loving Care and Guidance."... thank you for giving me the words.  And I will as you advised "seek your HP first, and let life on life's terms be what they are."


I can't tell you all how I feel now!  headbang.gif I have more than a sneaking suspicion that my HP sent me here and is probably smiling at me right now with a knowing nod!

Thank you all for showing me so much love and guiding me back to my HP!





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Hello again Everyday,
I decided to try your spot and went out on my back poarch with my caffene, and sat with my HP. I let the Sun hit me, listened to the birds and thanked my HP and said a prayer for you. So whats up with the kitchen project? Go to Walmart and buy their cheap brush pack and roller pack. Get some throw away paint tray liners. Keep it simple. Did you tear out walls or is this a simple paint and paper job?

-- Edited by turninggrey on Sunday 30th of August 2009 11:28:34 AM

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Hi TG

It's great isn't it...feel it in the breeze on your skin and the noise as the wind blows through the trees.  Thank you for the prayer.  All this is making a difference.

Re Kitchen...I tore out walls...made dining and kitchen into one.  Tore up floor down to the sub flooring.  That's done so now I'm putting int the cabinets.  I went and did a bit on that today and I just popped onto here then I'm going back out to say to my HP before I do some more.

Once I finish getting the wall cabs up it's flooring...which is going to take me a lot longer to get since I can't do all the o/t I was planning on.  Then it's floor cabs which I already have.  Then it's oven, cooktop, fridge...which are going to take me longer to get because I can't do the o/t I was planning on...then it's back splash which is going to take me longer to get because.....blah blah...you get it?  It doesn't seem so bad now...I really have taken on board everything you guys said and I'm resetting my goals but I'm practicing patience.  I'm amazed at what I difference I feel!biggrinbiggrin

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Good Morning,

I said a Prayer too, and all I can say to what you wrote about your kitchen project is
HOLLY MOLLY! Little wonder you have been feeling overwhelmed.

But as TG said Baby steps.

When I read your reply last night before going to bed, it put such a big smile on my face!

Hot Plate, can opener, electric coffee Pot, oh and lots of paper plates,
Just kidding, I am sure you have all that down.

Hope you have a good day.

And please don't forget to give yourself many pats on your own back, from a woman that never would have the courage to do what you are doing.

Happy Sunday,
Toni

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Hey Everyday,

Put yer name in the Mass intentions book this morning at Church ... hope God is finding you well and content this day.

joelo

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Welcome to MIP, Everyday. I take a 'dry drunk' to mean when I am living in my defects. In any of them really. When I'm not giving them to God in a willingness to let go of them whether it be justified anger or self-pity or any of the multitude of sins I'm capable of. I know this program is a process & I will very often have to reach a rockbottom with each before I gain the humility & willingness to surrender them & practice their opposite but, like you here, reaching out to fellow alcoholics working their programs always helps to encourage me when I'm not quite on the beam myself. 

A dry drunk can last for weeks or a few minutes for me now. Sometimes I find that I'll have let go of one defect to have moved straight onto another one lol I have to stay very vigilant for this because I want to have the best quality in sobriety I can have for today so I try to stay as pliable & obedient to my HP as possible. The exerpt in the Big Book about 'Acceptance being the Answer' comes to mind for me in response to your post & I also noticed where you mentioned about asking your HP 'for things'. I wondered if you'd become disenchanted with how things were going for you or if you'd been hoping &/or expecting life to be a certain way or any different?

It also says in the BB to be careful about asking for things for ourselves only unless of course it helps towards our usefulness to others. I've been learning to stay grateful for everything in my life because I can take so much for granted that one blink & I've missed it all! I know you are & have been grateful for so much so I'm sure this a trip you enjoy to be on. I love the saying 'Happiness is a decision & gratitude helps us to decide'. I had this written on my mirror for a while.. 'God is my Gratitude is my God!' lol Thank you so much for your honesty & your sharing with everyone here. You've got a great enthusiasm & it suits you so well. Well Done in your sobriety. I hope your joy stays with you
1Day@aTime. It is good to be alive & it is good to be sober with you :) Recovery love & respect, Danielle x

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Great topic and great replies.  The coolest thing about talking with other alcoholics is that I/we have an understanding about eachother.   I can totally relate to your feelings of being overwhelmed, the feeling that the harder im working the the further behind i seem to be getting.  I'm getting better at realizing that the opposite of serenity is expectations, when my expectations are not met it's like i get on this treadmill that keeps speeding up and i get no where fast!!!  Congratulations on your home and remodeling it but also raising your teenager and holding down a full time job.   I know it's cheesy but you are blessed in many ways and by your posts you do appreciate life on lifes terms.  Good luck and God bless.

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Good morning everyone and everyday. Boy am I glad I read your posting, I sure can relate to you and your struggles. I am a care giver for my mother who has Alzheimer's and my father who is 82 years old. My sobriety is challenged and I have felt like a Dry Drunk lately. I sure do appreciate you posting your concerns and the responses from these wonderful people certainly has helped me this morning. I wish we could all meet and have a meeting together in person, wouldn't that be great?



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