OK, haven't posted here for a while. I see that some of you are still about, good for you and thanks. Sober 6.5 years now. Incredibly, I finally decided to give a shot at getting a sponsor. Met with him once a week for several months,, went through the steps, no real issues until he started prompting me about sticking around after meetings and dropping a "wall" that he perceived that I was carefully building around me that was keeping me from developing the deep personal relationships with lots of other AA people that he says are just waiting for me if I will allow it.
I'm introverted, and It just causes me a lot of stress and anxiety to channel Dale Carnegie and do small talk for any length of time. So what probably seemed to him a simple matter of simply ceasing to resist others is, in fact, a herculean effort at mental gymnastics for me. I can do it, and like most introverts, I can be really congenial when necessary, but it exhausts me. Also my wife and I have been caring for her bedridden dying mother in our house for two years while the rest of her family watches, so I really have trouble getting interested in the chat du jour at meetings.
Anyway, on one of our check-ins I was feeling a little sorry for myself, and asked him to give me some time on the socializing thing. He promptly told me I needed therapy, did not care about anything I was saying, and told me to go fix myself and come back to AA when I was a grown up. Tough love, yum. To be fair, the guy is quite a bit older than I am and pretty of sick, so it was probably short-sighted of me to ask for sponsorship. But all the guys my age that seem well grounded often mention how they have multiple sponsees already, so I don't feel like I can ask THEM.
So, anyway, I haven't spoken to this guy since, and have drastically cut down my meetings to avoid him, because he really enjoys his gossip and has probably thrown me under a bridge with everybody we knew in common.
So, the fact that I'm an alcoholic means the problem lies with me, so have field day. Thanks for listening.
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I am glad you posted and shared what you are going through on this board. Congratulations on staying sober over 6 years! And without a sponsor most of that time? That's amazing. I don't know that I could do that.....wait a minute...I couldn't...because I had a sponsor and still went out. That happens and I have stopped beating myself up over it.
Until someone with more experience comes on and addresses your post, I will put my 2 cents in.
I am a bit introverted myself (I post far more than I share in meetings). I have become more of an introvert because of some of my experiences within the last year. That is the way I am now. There is nothing wrong with me. Your being introverted is the way you are. There is nothing wrong with you. No one, absolutely no one should make you feel bad or shame about it. It is one thing to suggest and encourage another to try and be more talky with others after meetings. It is another thing for someone, who is sponsoring that person to say what your "sponsor" said to you. That, to me, was heartless, unnecessary and cruel. Another thing is the gossip you said your sponsor does. That is a particularly sore subject for me and I have posted enough about it. I do think it is a huge red flag for a sponsor to gossip about others. That does not show someone, in my opinion, who is emotionally sober. You really have no control who says what about you in and out of AA....you have no control what people think about you in and out of AA. What you do have control of is maintaining your sobriety, continue to make it THE #1 PRIORITY in your life, above and beyond all the sponsor stuff and what other's think about you stuff. I put myself through mental turmoil for awhile and I ended up relapsing because of all the bs I let bother me. I let others have more influence and power over me and lost my focus on what is more important than any of that--my sobriety.
Just be YOU. Instead of thinking and worrying about being "thrown under a bridge" ...try and look at it like you "dodged a bullet", because it is not a sponsor's responsibility to tell us we HAVE to do anything. They are there to help us work the Steps. They can make suggestions. That's it. And it is up to us whether or not these suggestions are right for us. And you don't have to have a sponsor your age. I know of people my age (50's) who have wonderful sponsors in their 20's and 30's.
I would keep going to meetings and not let this one misguided soul and the fear of what others may or may not hear or think about you keep you from doing so. Go to other meetings if you have to. Hold your head up high! Be proud that you have stayed sober for as long as you have.
Hey there ZZWorld, ... ... ... sounds like your sponsor wanted you to move closer to 'the group', get you to become close friends ... but I must say your sponsor wasn't listen'n to you because he seems 'insensitive' to your 'very real' problem ... this situation shouldn't hold you back from go'n to your meet'ns ... if he brings the issue up again, try repeat'n why you have such a struggle meet'n his suggest, one more time, and if he still thinks you should do things his way, tell him you no longer need his 'guidance' ... that you will start look'n for someone that'll listen to you and not think you're B.S.'n them ... ??? .... there may be a better way ... I've not come up against this situation before ...
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Just wondering if your sponsor had a point about therapy. Social anxiety seems to be a real problem for some folks and goes beyond the sort of thing that AA is equipped to help you with. Like your sponsor, I am not a therapist and I wouldn't know where to start.
I think also your sponsor is trying to lead you towards the real AA solution, the one that provides permanent contented sobriety beyond our wildest dreams. That doesn't come from being sponsored, it comes from working the steps, having a spiritual experience as the result, and passing on what you have learned to others by being a sponsor.
I thought you sponsor showed some rare common sense and humility, first by recognising his limits, and secondly by trying to open the door to the 4th dimension of existence for you. You could have been saddled with a sponsor who will fix everything for you, until the day he is not available, then your world collapses. I know which I would prefer.
-- Edited by Fyne Spirit on Sunday 10th of January 2016 10:25:35 PM
Thanks guys, will think about what you are saying. I actually do have a diagnosis of GAD and am on meds, but even now I'm not convinced they're just placebos. But that's for another board!
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If you do decide to find another sponsor, I hope he will be one who is focused on helping you work the Steps and treats you with respect. Being told to "go and fix yourself and come back to AA when you are grown up" because you didn't follow his order is nasty. "Sargeant Carter" needs to find another Gomer.
Whoa. I came to a screeching halt when you mentioned he loves to gossip and has probably thrown you under the bus with others. Gossip, or "character assassination by word of mouth" is one of the greatest dangers to our fellowship. I don't speak from any high moral ground, either, because I've been guilty of it myself, but never about someone I'm sponsoring. I'm glad you are dropping him as a sponsor, since you would never have felt safe sharing things with him. I hope things work out for you, and that you find someone more suitable (maybe another introvert?)....
I hate the standing around afterwards and visiting afterwards as well. So I do just a little before I bolt for the door. I try not to be rude, just wait for the easiest break point in the conversation and say goodbye and head out. I think I've made it 5 minutes or so.
I don't post on the site much...well..not for a long time anyway. I was reading this post and I came across a reference to a poem the other day in a book I'm reading and it reminded me of the comments made in this post so I thought I would share. I quit drinking in '13, however, I've noticed as of late I still need to resolve some underlying issues that are artifacts from growing up in an alcoholic home that left me with thinking patterns and habits that do interfere with social\ relationships and I feel fortunate to have the opportunity to resolve them now. I wouldn't say I suffer from what some refer to as a "dry drunk" syndrome because I really enjoy life without alcohol and have no resentment by not drinking. Quite the opposite actually, yet the scars do run deep so time to do some digging. I do digress though and I'll return to my original point! lol. Here's a link to the poem:
No doubt many here have read it, if not, perhaps it will resonate with some and you'll take something away from it. I know I did, in fact, it was quite difficult when I first read it.
I wish everyone success in putting this challenge behind you and enjoy living today and in the moment.
Hi goingtotry!
I remember when you first came on here because it was very close to the time I did too. It is great to "hear" from you again.
Thanks so much for posting that poem. I have never read it and it is very good and I found it helpful. And thanks so much for coming on here and posting. I've missed you on here, that's for sure.
I read the poetry and found it very intriguing ... it made me think a bit and that's sometimes hard to get me to do, LOL ... understand'n poetry is not my strong suit, but I enjoyed read'n it ... I will have to come back to it and reread it when I have the time ...
Love ya and God Bless, Pappy
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