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This is my first time posting and would first like to say that I have enjoyed many of the posts on this site. What I have read has both inspired and given me answers on my AA journey. Bless AA and the fellowship. I just got my 5 year chip a couple of weeks ago and feel very thankful for that. I feel compelled to write for several reasons. First, is that this site has given me a lot and I want to respond back with my own experience, strength and hope. Secondly, sometime at my home group, a topic gets a little off track I don't get what I want to say, forget what I want to say or can't find the way I want to say something because I feel under the gun when it's my turn to share. When I do this posting thing I got all the time in the world to choose what I want to say. Enough of the intro., here's the problem: I have an issue with people upsetting me, how to react and determining if my reaction is making me feel more like a doormat or by letting go and letting God do his thing, why do I feel that I'm taking the easy way out? Case in point: Father's day, at my son's house. He has a wonderful BBQ but something is wrong, my daughter is in a shit mood and seems to be argumentative with every conversation. A little background on daughter dearest, she has abused drugs in the past and this behavior was apparent during those times. Yet, her personality when sober can be this way too (anger issues, chip off the old block, continually working on this defect). Anyway, a very heated verbal fight occurs between son and daughter and son tells daughter to "get the fudge out and leave". Now, following the tools which the program has given me, when I get angry I look at what part I took in the situation in the first place. I make my amends and keep my side of the street clean without expecting any amends in return. My gut feeling is to tell my daughter that if something is going on that she would like to talk about, I'm here to listen (which I did before she pulled out of the driveway). I also wanted to tell her that she owed her brother an apology for, what I felt, started the argument(which I didn't) because she felt he put her down and everyone always blames her. I told my son that maybe he could have chose a few different words to tell his sister that she was being a bitch and just drop the subject. My wife and younger son unanimously felt that my daughter was completely at fault. I go back to number 1 son and apologize for inferring that he even think about being wrong for what happened. Hell, it was his house, he put on a wonderful meal and she shrewd it all up and dad, you hurt number 1 sons feelings if you were to place any blame on him. Next day, daughter dearest calls, not to talk about how she is going to handle what happened the day before but talks about other frivolous stuff which gets me because the rest of the family wants answers and probably more importantly an apology. All I want is pease. All I can do is pray while what I really want to do is tell them they are both wrong, clunk their heads together and tell them "you could have had a V8". That's the other thing, no one was drinking (my children respect me that much for going in the program, God bless them). So my emotions are this; I really don't want to make a decision on this yet, I'm getting the nugde from " the little woman" who wants me to prod my daughter into repenting for her evil ways and to analyze whether she's using again. My other emotion is to let go and let Got (feel like an indecisive wuss and let this drag on, for who knows how long,(stubborn family trait) and continue to have my serenity tested. I needed this. Thanks for letting me share.

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Welcome to the site...And a Big Congrats on five years....That's a real pickle you got there...I will say your daughter sounds a lot like I was at family gatherings...Whether drinking or not....I called that untreated alcoholism. I don't know what to say...I know when I was in that condition...I wasn't big on apologies. I was always right.



-- Edited by Stepchild on Tuesday 17th of June 2014 09:37:51 AM

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I have a daughter that's 30....and into the drug and alcohol scene...

I had to let go and let God....Cant deal with insanity...



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A big congratulations on 5 years of sobriety!  Sounds like you've been working hard.  Family issues?  Everybody has them.  It's part of life, and part of being in a family which consists of flawed human beings.  My two adult kids are both at odds with each other right now too.  I don't like it, but I stand back, and let them work it out.  Which they eventually will.

God made 'em, so He can fix 'em.  I know I can't.

Blessings,

Mike D.

 



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Welcome to MIP JimmyJ, ... ... ... this sounds a lot like the gatherings I've had with my youngest son ... between me and him ... the 'little woman' trying to intercede and keep the peace ...

All I can say is that this happened about 5 years into sobriety for me too ... and for me ... if I were to try and makes amends, even though I felt none were needed, then it would have made the problem 'mushroom' out of control ... (I've tried that avenue too) ...

In your case, if it were me, I'd try to have a face-to-face with daughter, and try to see where all the ruckus started ... was it a 'perception' of some situation that led to the conflict?, 'real or imagined' ... or are we talk'n real factual stuff here? ...

Whatever! ... you may be able to determine whether or not your input will solve anything or not ... and if not, then the only option here is to pray for God's will to be done for them both and for you to stay out of it ...

just an opinion from an old drunk that chooses to not drink today ...


Love ya and God Bless,
Pappy



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P.S. ... I like what Mike said ... AND, I agree 100% ...



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Welcome to the board and a big congrats on getting your 5 year chip.

I know in my meetings when things get off topic and it is my turn to share, I try to get back on topic and if I don't have anything to share which is on topic--I usually don't. I don't let what others have shared influence my share unless it is a newcomer who shared about having a rough time and I feel like my experience may help them and I do this in a way that I use "I" and not "you should", etc.

As hard as it is.....I would try and not take sides during family disagreements. I have my own one on one relationships which I am trying to figure out without getting involved in the middle of someone elses disagreements and having other family members, the cat, the dog giving their own take of things about who was "right" and who was "wrong". I have learned since being in AA to "keep my own side of the street clean" and unless I misinterpreted the meaning of that, I have to watch myself as far as my own behavior goes. Unless there are exceptions to that, such as....it is alright if it is your kids involved in verbal putdowns, ridiculing one another, then that's just the way I see it. I would also be concerned that if I said something to one about their behavior they would get upset at me, thinking I am taking "sides" and possibly damage my future relationship(s). I am witness to family members getting "disowned" when sides are taken in disagreements and 1+1 instead of equaling 2 can equal 4, 5 or more, happened in my family and it sounds like what it is possibly happening in your family.

Another thing to consider (and I may get reprimanded severely for this from the few women on this board....I'll take my chances anyway because it is true....) women can be "bitches" when hormones come into play and especially certain times of the month. My whole personality changed from Jekyll to Hyde within seconds and there was no reasoning with me once it happened. (And the drinking just increased my bitchiness. I don't know about drugs as I never had an issue with those). (That said, some of the men I have been with were no picnic either.)

Good luck with your situation. And btw....I love V8 and probably needed more of them than I have had.

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Welcome jimmy:

What does your sponsor and the oldtimers in your group say about your situation when you talk to them one-on-one?

Congrats on 5 yrs !

All the best.

Bob R

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Thanks for the replies from all of you. The letting go sounds like the flavor of the month and is sound advice. Pappy, I also will do a face to face with her because while praying and meditating my HP and or conscience is telling me to do so. I will also be talking with my sponser on this one.For today, I decided to take myself out of the box and mulch my wife's many flower beds (usually she does them).I worked up quite a sweat and enjoyed the accomplishment. I'm thoroughly exhausted and it feels right. I hope to report progress but holding back any expectations

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Sounds like you got a good head on your shoulders there JimmyJ ... OH, I also just recently finished mulching our 'never-ending' flower beds, including having to reset all the landscaping brick ... and yes, I worked up quite a sweat and felt that exhaustion of which you speak ... LOL ...



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Welcome JimmyJ

As you heard when you first came through th doors .

"Keep coming Back" yes , I ? We Want you to Keep coming back ,

here as well . methinks we are going to get on Well



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@ 37 I was too young & good looking to be an alkie.

still too young , still got th good looks. still n alkie.

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