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Because it contains a Truth the fellowship doesn't want you to know or hear about.

I can tell you about how the "Woodstock/Bob & Carol & Ted & Alice/Easy Rider generation" gave me a big green light to "join the herd" by partaking in all sorts of substances...including alcohol to be accepted by my peers at age of 14. Or how I "crossed the line" by up-ending a bottle of Christmas Egg Nog at a friends house getting me totally inebriated. The truth about it was I was just plain unhappy with myself and my life. I had no "free will" knew nothing about real choices the majority of the human race don't even have a clue themselves because they take life at face value and decide to join the rest of "the tribe" drinking cordially, using other recreational drugs, getting lost in this kind of experience or that...including sex and they're always looking for "themselves" in all those experiences. The saying "It's all fun until somebody pokes an eye out" is also most appropriate too. You can kill somebody or yourself while under the influence of alcohol and or drugs. It has happened. You can get killed just having sex these days. Best case scenario, someone gets pregnant the father decides to do the next right thing and marries the girl. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.

I have seen my share of tragic dysfunction in my teen years. Pregnancy, drug overdoses and suicide aided and abetted by movies that glorified the mentality of "sex, drugs, and rock and roll" and other promiscuous behavior. Television shows that glorified "the happy hour" with a few "drinkie poos" before a business dinner only to show up at the table too drunk to do business. And the drinks are poured liberally. It's only till a select few, hit a wall with "their way" of doing things that causes people to wake up and do something about themselves. If you've seen Denzel Washington's movie Flight you know what I'm talking about. All should be a light in the dark to each other with attitude starting at home with parents that have half a brain but ignorance and environment can add up poor world view and ultimately how you view yourself which is always, more often than not dysfunctional and neurotic.

Ultimately there's not much to chose from when the "popular girl" in high school turns out to be a drug addict and a nymphomaniac or the good looking son of a substitute teacher that was supposed to be a "shining example" and goes to federal prison for drug smuggling and oh, I also had a Civics teacher that partook in an illegal gambling operation that was run in the back of a local Bar - B- Que joint once a week and I'm pretty sure there was some drug use going on there besides the beer flowing freely from the bar keg. Lucky and blessed are the few that have hit the brick wall and fall amongst people that have already been down that road that knew what to do in such an event. The world is full of people that have made poor "choices" in their lives based on ignorance in situations where it's impossible to know unless you've had the experience to back it up.

I found out about A.A. as the result of the court system a big "no no" in the fellowship and it wasn't about some traffic offense. I ended up in rehab and as a result of the group therapy I started to experience a total cessation of emotion and almost all thought with no identification of "me" at all.  I didn't know what this was at the time so I began to ask my therapist about it and he had no idea what I was talking about. I also asked the inmates there if they were experiencing any like symptoms and they said no and that they too didn't know what I was talking about.

I know now that this was my ego "dying" and of course, it fights very hard for it's survival so I panicked because I thought it was some type of" mind rape" as a result of my staying there and left.

I also attended my first meeting while I was staying there at a Catholic church where I picked up a white chip and won a Big Book in a raffle I consider that incident a preview of what was to come. But if it wasn't for that incident I would've never known about A.A. being there. Many years later after much more drunken escapades and reaching a wall with that I finally turned to A.A. to put a stop to things as for the rest well I'm still the anonymous person that been posting my experience with A.A. and my end result with the steps and what subsequently happened after that.

I stumbled onto this aspect of "God" as a result reaching the end of my rope in my "sober" life and of the 12 steps of A.A.as described out of The Big Book in 1990. I did the usual things that were suggested i.e. prayer and seeking a sponsor when that occurred, only to end up at a Big Book step study group that slyly took you through the steps because the ego is so sly and resistant to God. When I got a quarter of the way through the 9th step, I "confessed my former ill feelings" as said in The Big Book to a woman whom I thought was a "bitch" and she forgave me as well. I left the meeting to go outside into the patio when I started to feel a wet spot in the pit of my belly that shot down to the bottoms of my feet and back up through my entire body removing every fiber of fear leaving nothing but the purest feeling of Love I had ever known. It was dumbfounding and very shaking because I had never experienced anything like this...ever. If this was "God" it was way beyond my "understanding".

 

I basked in that experience for something like 20 minutes or so, then got up to drive home with a little hesitancy because I was wary of driving safe in that space, but I made it. I ended up taking a nap wondering if this would still be going on when I got up, and sure enough, it was. I went back to the club where I was going for meetings to share what had happened and as I listened to everybody share, and it was quite packed, the things that were coming out of people's mouths had nothing to do with the God that had found me, like "belonging to A.A. is like belonging to the mafia" with lots of anger behind the tone of people's sharing. There were one or two that talked about their current problem and I could tell that it was rooted in issues like co-dependency or just plain powerlessness. There was one woman at the meeting that the second she opened her mouth I knew she knew what I knew and had encountered, because there was a peace and a glow about her that was unequivocally from God. Life had changed for me. Some of which I have been posting on other sites, like time slowing down and no longer being "linear', the Claire-audience incidences. One morning i woke up with a warm spot in my chest in the shape of an eye where my heart chakra had opened, and days of blessed silence where I would just go through the motions with no mind chatter at all, just serene bliss.

 

After a while of being involved with A.A. I felt that there was something not quite spiritually right in there. Much like the "man behind the curtain" in The Wizard Of Oz. After that it became like living in The Truman Show with no spontaneity and just robotic responses coming from other A.A. members. Finally there was a situation that arose between the Big Book group that I was involved in and other A.A. members pushing them out that was started by this ex-physics teacher from Boston where I had no choice but to move on and so did the members of my Big Book group that I considered my home group. I had been back to visit other A.A. clubs and meetings and when I got honest with them they insinuated that I was "lying" and "politely" pointed out that I should go back to my "home club" and "face the music" as it were, but it is such an ensconced existence in A.A. that I was treated as "unwelcome" and a "new comer" and it was also "politely suggested" that I go on medication. I finally saw no point in going back anymore and fired the "Group Of Drunks" in 2010.

"Luck" as far as I'm concerned has nothing to do with it. All events lead you exactly where you need to be and you may not be "kicked out" but you will be ostracized for not thinking "their way" and talked about in a negative way as "someone to avoid". A subtle form of hostility and attack.

As the result of my experience with the steps I started thinking about Jesus in a different way I also wondered if what happened to me was the way Jesus felt and Buddha as well because "Heaven" seems to be awfully synonymous with "nirvana"

Another thing that happened was that I was given free will which isn't necessarily a good thing to have in A.A. "You can't say 'no' " the first time I utilized free will I was asked to "do the chips" and quite frankly they had become a meaningless piece of plastic to me.

So I politely said "no" when asked and the woman asking said the "programed" response "You can't say 'no " to which I replied firmly but gently "Yes I can, no!" I had no freedom when I was chasing after a substance to placate my dis-ease and my ego. The Buddhists are right the ego is sensation oriented and it's a living entity.

When "they" say that "we go to meetings to get our 'medicine' it's really just placating their ego which is the real problem. "The drinking was a symptom and the bottle a symbol" ~ The Big Book. Some also flee into guilt big time. My final judgement and experience said "Acquitted"

I knew a man in A.A. whom "Ill identify as George A. He was an ex-pharmacist that had an n.d.e. as a result of a drunk driving incident. He never went into detail about that, but he shared against the grain at meetings a lot. The fellowship saw him as kind of a threat too because of that and George also identified himself as a recovered alcoholic as opposed to "recovering"He also came into A.A. after his experience and went straight into his 4th step and his amends which is really frowned upon too. He used to like to say "What if Alcoholics Anonymous closed it's doors and there was no meeting to go to?" I didn't put a judgement on it at first but I get what he was saying now. I often wonder where he's at today. I also sat next to him after my experience with the steps and people started to shake their head and frown that I was and backing up what he was sharing.

I found out that the reason the fellowship is so "difficult" is because a great majority of them have an inured and frozen thought system instead of a liberated one which is really at the crux of their "difficulty" and the more I pore over "outside" spiritual posts the more I say "Ah-ha" because they point to a great deal of things I resonate to which has really nothing to to with A.A. and everything to do with Real Recovery instead of an inured, frozen thought system.

By it's very nature books like A Course In Miracles would be considered a source of "controversy" in A.A. as well it should be because it's very threatening to any belief/thought system and the way things are going the fellowship of Alcoholics Anonymous are going to have to deal with the human race's growing spirituality and change their thought system and accept whatever "consequences" that come with that. because this isn't the Jesus the fellowship "boo and hiss" about but someone and something totally different.

Now all I find I can do is question A.A.'s thought/belief system because there is no "I" in God just like there was no real awareness that "I" was an "alcoholic" during that first encounter with rehab, they wouldn't even let us admit that we were alcoholic in the therapy sessions. I'm not even my given "Christian name" which are really just symbols to convey an idea, one of the reasons I post "anonymously" on the internet. Moreover after looking over other "outside" spiritual posts on the internet well they resonate with me more than anything in A.A.. I can't go back because they'd ask for a sacrifice by saying I "need to drink more" or some such gesture or action which I will not do. After much research on A.A. reading posts and sorting things out I think being "ousted" like I was, was the best thing that could happen. Again all events lead right where you need to be. I just don't want to criticize the fellowship anymore and send only love and close that chapter.  Story over.

 



"The word God has become empty of meaning through thousands of years of misuse. I use it sometimes, but I do so sparingly. By misuse, I mean that people who have never even glimpsed the realm of the sacred, the infinite vastness behind that word, use it with great conviction, as if they knew what they are talking about. Or they argue against it, as if they knew what it is that they are denying. This misuse gives rise to absurd beliefs, assertions, and egoic delusions such as 'My or our God is the only true God, and your God is false,' (Which can and has led to infighting amongst spiritual groups) or Nietzsche's famous statement 'God is dead.' "~ Eckhart Tolle from his book The Power Of Now

 

"The search for truth started in the streets and I went through multiple phases: drugs, alcohol, religion, shamanism, spiritualism, politics, revolution and spirituality. I didn't find anything there but brief moments of tranquility nothing permanent and tangible that could be called THE TRUTH so I decided to find the truth for my self by my self. But I couldn't, so I surrendered. And there and then I realized there is nothing to "understand". In an instant, the clarity of this truth was there in such an obvious way and interpreted intellectually in this way: the one that perceives, the act of perceiving and what is perceived are one and the same. Separation simply does not exist. There is nothing to "understand" or to "attain". There is only the totality. Life is an indivisible unit." ~ Cesar Teruel



-- Edited by Flynn on Friday 25th of July 2014 08:03:24 AM

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Well not yet, but the 5th edition is coming. :)

Based on the brief bit I know about you from this post, it sounds like the AA program (re: the steps), helped you to reach the place you are in now. The fellowship didn't seem to work out for you, but any place that we are at that allows us to 'send only love' is a good place in my opinion. I sincerely wish you the best in your journey.

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I 2nd what Angell said ... plus, not all AA groups are the same ... some lean more to religious beliefs and others toward G.O.D. (Good Orderly Direction) ... no matter, if a person finds spiritual guidance as a result of attending, then mission accomplished ... at the very least, it can change our broken 'thinkers' ... IF we're open to recovery ...



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Don't quit just before the miracle happens.

Stick with the winners in AA and you'll become a winner.

Don't condemn the program because of a few "personalities".

All the best.
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Just posted a reply about learning to "put others' first".....that is after working the steps and having a strong desire to help others and the results of that help me stay sober, so that is really helped me at the same time.....

When I was new in the program I had to put ME first. I had spent most of my life worrying about others. What did they think of me, did they like me, why didn't they agree with me, etc. I had quit three times before because of others in the room. Or, at least I made that excuse for quitting. When I walked through those AA doors for the fourth time, I made a decision to put my sobriety FIRST. I told myself that I was going to kill myself drinking and that NO MATTER WHAT ANYONE SAID OR DID (or I thought they said or did) I COULDN'T QUIT AA. I had a few kinks this last go round. I wasn't doing what others thought I needed to do to be successful. I wasn't doing things "their way". I had comments about how I dressed, told to smile more by a person who looks like the Grim Reaper himself in all the meetings.  I was even yelled at one time. My faith was gone and I was getting po'd by shares which told me I had to believe in a "God" to stay sober and I was more po'd hearing shares about people saying they didn't believe in God at all. All this crap running around in my head and I was thinking, thinking, thinking too much.


I kept going back. I found a sponsor and eventually a home group. This wasn't until the third time I came really close to drinking again. I needed help--and fast!  I started working the steps. I try to keep it simple (now don't go back and read all my postings, as they may conflict what I just said, but compared to the way I used to be and the way I am now, I am better.)


AA is a great program to help people who are seriously committed to staying sober. I have stopped going to meetings which had a few members which seemed to be on a mission to convert other members to their belief system. I realize now that all the many things that used to bother me (staring from other members, talking about me, etc.) many didn't exist in reality, only in my mind....to try and convince me that I didn't belong in the program. My alcoholic mind wanted to find any excuse at all to get me to drink and it was using others in the rooms to do it (in my mind). All they were and still are trying to do is stay sober. I have had some very sarcastic comments my way. I try to tell myself "that's not the way I am going to talk to others" and I try to remember to pray for them. (Sometimes I forget...shucks. Just being honest...I still have work to do.)


Bottom line is--it doesn't matter what anyone else believes, thinks. It matters what I believe in. I have a desire to stop drinking, that is the only thing I need to be a part of AA.
Just going to meetings got me to stop drinking for several months.  It wasn't enough for me, though. It took me getting a sponsor and working the Steps to keep me sober.

There are many many AA groups out there. I hope in your area you can try different ones. The ones you described to me and the experiences you had would be a real challenge for me as well. The things I have dealt with have been a challenge to me and there were several times I wanted to leave AA and I am shocked that I haven't. I am so very grateful I didn't stop going. It has made me feel stronger, and better about myself that I didn't use others as a reason to give up on the AA program and I have been sober almost a year now so I know the program works.

BTY



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Thank you. I just hope this post saves lives and answers some questions that I had when this happened and one of them was "Why me?" and the answer came back; "Your stuck with it buddy" I wouldn't exchange it for anything because outside of the "bad stuff" I lived life and did what I needed to do. I found out that fear is people's problem in general not just "alcoholics and addicts" so I give others no matter who they are help and love if they need it so for me, at the risk of "changing things in A.A." *GASPS* the message of the steps beyond alcohol in whatever form is about humanity in general which is what people like Eckhart Tolle, Marianne Williamson, and the late Jiddu Krishnamurti are and were doing today living Jesus, Buddhas/Spiritual Masters of our times.

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