People, I have over 6 years of sobriety, I think. I have had 3 setbacks or relapses (very short, one nighters) since 1/10/2008. How does this work ? My last dance with the bottle was March 22, 2012, officially. What kinda chip can I expect at a meeting when I go ? Stay thirsty my friends ! ......may God continue to give us what we need to be strong! Ricky
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Ricky61 - Once you're a pickle, ya can't go back to being a cucumber.
Stay strong indeed...I never expected a chip...didn't come for one and was surprised completely when I got my first one at 16 years,,,,Got careless and lost my 34 year chip 2 months before getting my last one. I've never come for the chips...I've come for the ESH which keeps me sober and serene. Keep coming back R...
I seem to have a different opinion than quite a few other posters on this board. I picked up a white chip on May 30, 2013. It was my fourth one over the last 8 years of attempts to get and stay sober. This is the longest "stretch" so far. I love my chips. With the exception of one meeting, which does not hand out chips (and was a topic which I posted on here a while ago) all the other meetings I attend hand out chips and one of them hands out a chip for each month under a year. The rest give out first day, one month, three months, 6 months, 9 months, year and multiple year chips. The chips have been a source of encouragement to me. I realize that the results which come from sobriety and working the program should be enough....however, "I love me chips"! Also, if you slip, I hope you are not embarrassed to go pick up another white chip if you want to. Most of us have been there. Another suggestion I might add is if you buy some poker chips and get a jar and chip yourself. I personally don't see anything wrong with doing this and if it helps motivate you to stay off alcohol it is a good thing. You are in good company. So many alcoholics go out, like me and like you. I used to be embarrassed about that but not anymore. I am doing the best I can do to stay sober now, and the past is the past. Good luck to you!
and Hugs your way!
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I don't stay sober for the chips ... ... ... I've accepted chips in the past because my sponsor said it was an inspiration to others that 'it can be done' ... I will have to say that the chips meant a lot to me the first year, BUT as I grew in this program, I learned that they can also become a source of 'pride' which can be a dangerous thing for me ...
I'm in a new area attending new groups to me ... I will keep my milestones private for now and simply take things 'one day at a time' ... like I said, chips don't KEEP me sober ... only applying the principles of the program can do that with 'God's Will' as my personal guide ...
Pappy
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Pappy's right I agree, but since I haven't worked the steps and still have way too much of that pride hopefully after my first year I won't be placing so much importance on the chips. I do want to let other newcomers in the meeting know it can be done. It has been very disappointing to me to see quite a few newcomers get chips, only to see some of them not picking up subsequent chips, and worse....not coming back. (I always hope that they are still sober and attending other meetings, and a few have come back and have said that they slipped....and good for them for coming back.)
And......Pappy also triggered a memory of someone sharing early in my sobriety that they loved getting chips too and after that first year, and the chips didn't come, they actually went out and started drinking again and they thought it was because of just that reason I am using---they had used the chips as an incentive to stay sober rather than working the program the way they should have been doing! So that is a very negative thing about the chips and one which I will have to watch out for myself. And another thing which is open for opinions I want to bring up is clapping for others.....I love the clapping when I get chips and also clapping for others. I guess that is pride as well. One person brought up at meetings that clapping is a sign of ego and/or pride---I cannot remember the word he used. There is one man who has been sober for several years who says he never claps for people who go out and come back in to pick up another chip because he says that he is not going to let anyone think it is alright for them to slip in the first place. I know envy is a character defect, however, I really envy this man because it sounds like he has never gone out himself, like I have several times. However, I sure wouldn't not clap for someone for that reason because that sounds like it has more to do with me than the other guy. Just my own opinion.
'Pride', of course, carries with it 2 meanings ... To be proud of one's own accomplishments is the 'pride' of which I was referring to ... but 'Pride' shown for someone else is a totally different story ... like the 'pride' of seeing your children accomplish something or 'pride' in a fellow human doing well for themselves ... that is a good and just feeling ...
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Pappy's right I agree, but since I haven't worked the steps and still have way too much of that pride hopefully after my first year I won't be placing so much importance on the chips. I do want to let other newcomers in the meeting know it can be done. It has been very disappointing to me to see quite a few newcomers get chips, only to see some of them not picking up subsequent chips, and worse....not coming back. (I always hope that they are still sober and attending other meetings, and a few have come back and have said that they slipped....and good for them for coming back.)
And......Pappy also triggered a memory of someone sharing early in my sobriety that they loved getting chips too and after that first year, and the chips didn't come, they actually went out and started drinking again and they thought it was because of just that reason I am using---they had used the chips as an incentive to stay sober rather than working the program the way they should have been doing! So that is a very negative thing about the chips and one which I will have to watch out for myself. And another thing which is open for opinions I want to bring up is clapping for others.....I love the clapping when I get chips and also clapping for others. I guess that is pride as well. One person brought up at meetings that clapping is a sign of ego and/or pride---I cannot remember the word he used. There is one man who has been sober for several years who says he never claps for people who go out and come back in to pick up another chip because he says that he is not going to let anyone think it is alright for them to slip in the first place. I know envy is a character defect, however, I really envy this man because it sounds like he has never gone out himself, like I have several times. However, I sure wouldn't not clap for someone for that reason because that sounds like it has more to do with me than the other guy. Just my own opinion.
It never ceases to amaze me how there's always someone at a meeting who can turn anything into a negative. Clapping is "bad" for people who have gone out and come back? Maybe this man would feel better if the person stayed out and died. People go out, people don't go out; why can't I just be happy that someone is at an AA meeting because they've been sober for 24 hours? My first year of sobriety, those chips meant the world to me, and it wasn't because of pride or ego or anything else. I was amazed that I had, with the help of the people around me, and the program , stayed sober for 2 mos, 6 mos and so on. If you look at my key ring right now, my 7 year chip has a hole drilled through it and is there amongst my keys. I look at it each day and thank god that I have made it another day sober, living a life second to none. If that bothers others, then that's their problem.
To the first commenter, meetings generally use these chips or sobriety tokens to celebrate lengths of continuous sobriety. They are presented to help show the new member that people in AA do stay sober. In your case, you have been working on your recovery from alcoholism for about six years and you currently have just under two years of continuous sobriety, which is great! On March 22, you could get a two year chip and show the new members, especially anyone just returning from a relapse, that once we are lucky enough to make it back to AA, it is possible to put together an extended period of continuous sobriety again.
But I have to ask - you said "what kind of chip can I expect when I go?" Does this mean you are not going to meetings now? It's your sobriety, but why make it harder on yourself by not taking advantage of the support we get from attended AA meetings? And why not see if you can offer some help to the new folks at the meetings who don't have as much sobriety as you? Just something to think about.
Let me clarify one thing here ... it's not that I have any problem with picking up a yearly chip(medallion), it's how the individual carries themselves with this accomplishment ... some do so in very 'humble' ways, which is what I learned from our principles (I feel I did NOT earn this chip, but rather acquired it by the 'Grace of God' ... He made this possible, not me and my way of thinking and acting) ... ... ... however, I frequently see and/or hear those that carry their 'years of sobriety' in a way that is 'boastful' ... this is where I have a problem ... and, of course, that can all be in the 'perception' of the those around such members ...
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I remember getting a one year chip at a meeting way back when, and always carried it in my pocket. When my first sponsoree made one year, I passed it on to him. After that, I've always passed my sobriety chips on to my sponsorees on their sobriety birthdays. Blessings to all, Mike D.
Ha, Pappy...I thought about framing my chips...how's that for boastful? And Mike D.....what a nice thing to do...but I'm a long way off from that as I am greedy about me chips and want 'em all for myself. (Of course, I am a long way off from sponsoring anyone, too.) But I hear there is hope for me.
Now I know that I should not be proud of feeling the way I do.....I'm just being honest. There are times when we run out of chips at the meeting. They have asked people to bring back their chips and recycle them....you want to know what I did? I bought a box of poker chips. I am thinking about taking them to meetings to have in case we run out. I don't know how they will feel about that though--getting a chip which is intended for gambling (which is an addiction for some people) at an AA meeting????? Guess I should do the right thing and take my own.....I'm feeling a bit ashamed of myself for my greedy and boastful self right now.
Let me repeat from my earlier post, the chips meant a lot to me my first year ... they were like gold to me ... as I approached year two, with several hundred meetings in my pocket, I came to know a deeper meaning of what AA was ... it was a life program and it taught me much more than just how to not drink ... that's all I was trying to say ...
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Hey guys I just want to thank you all for your very informative responses. I didn't dream that I'd get such a reaction. I believe that it is not so important about the chips thing as it is for a person to know
that they are confronting a huge beast (alcohol) and winning day by day, hour by hour, keeping that beast in it's cage with sobriety. That, I know. Even as a newbie (half a century old, newbie), I am greatful to have found this site and I'm looking forward to sharing with you all, my experiences, past and present. We'll get by with a little help from our friends ! God bless, Grammercy, Good Day ! ....Ricky61
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BTY, ... you won't believe this ... last week I stopped and had a sandwich in the early afternoon and threw a couple of those 'mini' dill pickles on the plate ... shortly, I went back to the fridge and ate nearly the whole jar of little pickles, LOL ... why is that ??? ... insanity ??? ...
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I am as thrilled and excited today when I get a annual medellin as I was when I got my first 30 day chip! I am literally amazed that a drunk like me can stay sober, day after day, week after week, month after month, and they turn into years of continuous sobriety.
Chips or medellins do not keep me sober, nor are they why I got sober. But marking the milestones of time in sobriety helps remind me that with one drink, I'm back to ground zero and only if I am extremely lucky and graced do I get a chance to pick up another white, desire chip. I want to keep marking my forward movement in recovery... I never want to go backwards.
That's right, John....and you can't eat them either. They are just a piece of plastic which symbolize something but aren't the real deal like actually maintaining sobriety and I agree with Pappy that it is my HP that is the reason I have been and am able to stay sober and I am very grateful for that.
But I love me chips...Lays in a can (better than Pringles to me)...and those mini pickles...I could eat a whole jar of those, too Pappy...but in my case...why eat pickles when I can eat my chocolate cake?
Great post John ... and BTY makes a good point about pickles and cake ... all I can say is ... 'sometimes you feel like a nut, and sometimes you don't' ... LOL ...
(I think that was an old 'Almond Joy'/'Mounds' commercial ??? ... ... ...) ...
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Hi Dave, I'm glad you asked that question. I have not attended a meeting since I can't remember. But, I am going to go to one this week. The last one I went to was very informative and humorous as well. All of the people there were very friendly. I remember that they wanted me to come back, but I guess I just hadn't hit rock bottom then. I remember a guy there telling his story about every time he drank he would end up out on the highway, walking naked as a jaybird, got arrested a couple of times and decided he needed help, said he barely remembered it. Wow. I have some similar stories that I should share. If we can't laugh at ourselves, we're not human.
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I think yearly sobriety chips can often mean different things to different people. Here's a glimpse of what they've always meant to me: Having usually carried my chip in my pocket with me every day, I would often take it out and look at it to remind me of the gift of sobriety that I've been given. This helped me the most when I'd been having a difficult or stressful day at work, for it would cause me to say a quick "thank you" prayer in the middle of my day and feel grateful. I always knew I had not "accomplished" sobriety. It was given to me. I've always known that all I ever did was open my hands to receive a gift from God. In addition to that, the words inscribed on the back of the coin, "To Thine Own Self Be True", have continually reminded me to always be honest with myself.
Chips are a small thing that can have a big meaning and I've always felt that they're an important and a tangible part of A.A. that we can actually hold in our hands. One of the most moving things I ever saw was when a person got a chip at a spiritual retreat. She passed it around in the group and asked us to pray with it. So, each one of us held it in our hands while saying a silent prayer for her. It had a big impact on her, and it meant a lot to the rest of us too.
Anyway, that's my take on sobriety chips. Blessings to all of you, Mike D.
That is lovely, Mike D. I always kiss my chips when I get back to my seat, and say a silent "Thank you, God". Sometimes I squeeze them tightly and hold onto them before dropping them into my purse. After about three difficult times, (which remarkably to me, came at or around the time I would be getting a monthly chip) I just was in disbelief that I made it without drinking--it was almost surreal to me. I am just grateful for each day I make it without a drink.
Hi BTY, Believe me, I completely understand what you mean when you say that you were struck by the fact that you were able to get through some difficult times without drinking. It looks like you were obviously well aware that you hadn't stayed sober by your own will power, or by determination. It was God's loving Power that had kept you sober. That's why we call it a miracle. I distinctly remember first becoming aware of God's Power in my life several months after I got sober in January of 1988. In the latter part of that year, my dad died of brain cancer. It was devastating to lose him because I was very close to him. Weeks after it was all over, I thought to myself, "Wow! I can't believe I didn't drink over this! Everyone in my family would've surely expected it. I actually should've drank over this! But....somehow I'm still sober!"
I knew it wasn't my doing. I knew that it was God protecting me. That was a big moment for me. Blessings, Mike D.
Mike D., How about that! I have been anxiously awaiting the miracles which will happen which I have heard other AA'ers talk about, and they have already been taking place and I have not been aware that I am already seeing them in my life! Thank you for posting that, Mike D.