I was just responding to a post and this memory popped into my head...
I used to feel guilty for drinking milk when I was growing up. Although I didn't grow up in poverty--my dad had a good job--I felt "poor". My mom would buy a quart of milk instead of a larger one because she walked to the store most of the time (she didn't drive) and had other groceries to carry. It made since that she wouldn't want to lug home the larger size of milk, but for some reason, I thought we couldn't afford the larger size. I had two other siblings and my Mom would use milk when she did her cooking. So whenever I wanted milk, I felt guilty. I remember laying in bed and really wanting a big glass of milk but not feeling like I could have one because it would be selfish.( Sometimes my older brother would come into the kitchen and drink it right out of the carton and put it back in the fridge and I wouldn't crave it as much.)
I also felt like I was an imposition alot of the times and often felt I was "in the way". Even now I will apologize for not only walking in front of someone, but beside someone when there is plenty of room. It is like I feel I have to say "I'm sorry" or "Excuse me" for something, anything. I hated and still do--asking people for help. I Apologized for everything and wanted everyone to like me so I became a people pleaser. I still have this need to have everyone like me, although it is not quite as strong and I am learning to set boundaries....I think. Being nice has caused me to allow myself to being taken advantage of and used alot through the years. I have mentioned on another posting that I hate talking on the phone. It is so extreme that I feel like I am bothering receptionists when I call and make doctors' appointments, so I put it off and put it off. I have put off having my eyes checked when my vision is so bad, everything is blurry and I have trouble distinguishing people from a distance. My teeth --well, I'm not going to have them for very much longer if I don't get them checked. It's crazy I know. Stupid fears.
I think these are just a couple of the things which drinking relieved for me. Drinking made me feel more in control of my emotions. I was more assertive and felt more powerful--or at least thought I was--and it gave me courage to do and say things I normally wouldn't be able to do sober. My liquid courage is gone now.
I was just wondering if anyone else had similar experiences and how you are handling those things being sober. I know from what I have heard that the Steps will help some of this. I feel alot of times like that little child laying in bed feeling guilty about drinking milk and wonder if I will ever "grow up".
-- Edited by betterthanyesterday52 on Tuesday 14th of January 2014 09:05:26 AM
This hits close to home for me. Because of various outside forces in my childhood I went through life with an enormous amount of guilt. I spent a great deal of time being uncomfortable in my own skin racked with anxiety and as high strung as a piano wire. I was fed alcohol by an older sibling in charge of "taking care of me". I wasn't even a teenager yet but he did it because he figured I couldn't tell on him for drinking if I did it too. It was also great entertainment for him and his friends to watch this little kid get drunk for some reason. I didn't mind though. It was like magic that made all of that anxiety and all of those bad feelings go away.
I still struggle with unreasonable feelings of guilt all these years later. And I still feel uncomfortable in my own skin at times and wound up like a tightly coiled spring. I became better at controlling it as I grew up but alcohol was always there for me when it all got to be too much. It was my medicine. It was my confidence in a bottle. It was my instant entertainment. It was my solution to most problems and the door to my creativity. At least those were the things I believed...at first subconsciously and later what I told myself when drinking started to cause me misery.
The worst thing about me, what I would change before anything else, is that I never forget a wrong I've committed against someone now matter how insignificant and it will bother me until the day I die. I can't remember my new email password but I vividly recall saying something rude to Angela Johnson in grade one and humiliating her in front of everyone. And when the memory plays in my head the guilt and remorse I feel is as intense as if it happend yesterday. Imagine the weight of a lifetime of memories like that...and of course ones that are far worse. Not being capable of letting go of your mistakes and of self forgiveness is a curse I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy.
The worst thing about me, what I would change before anything else, is that I never forget a wrong I've committed against someone now matter how insignificant and it will bother me until the day I die. I can't remember my new email password but I vividly recall saying something rude to Angela Johnson in grade one and humiliating her in front of everyone. And when the memory plays in my head the guilt and remorse I feel is as intense as if it happend yesterday. Imagine the weight of a lifetime of memories like that...and of course ones that are far worse. Not being capable of letting go of your mistakes and of self forgiveness is a curse I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy.
Those are called resentments BF...The number one offender for what keeps us drinking. Exactly what the fourth step addresses. We have to rid ourselves of these...Or they will take us out.
Butterfinger....we sound alot alike. I even went to school with a girl by the same name :)
Stepchild....resentments???Now I am confused...I would think the things BF described would just be guilty feelings. The action he made years ago may have started from a resentment but the guilt he has felt all these years from that action doesn't seem like a resentment he still has. (Although that girl has most likely forgotten that incident, if she hasn't, she could hold a resentment toward him for his behavior.
Does that means things we did so very long ago, we need to make amends for it to those people. Gosh, I'd have people think I was crazy if I apologized to people for grade school things.
A resentment is something you re-feel...Over and over. It could be a harm done to another...Or one done to you.....It doesn't matter what she feels...This is our inventory. I didn't bother with grade school stuff. It says we've taken a look at our grosser handicaps.
If you have already made a decision, and an inventory of your grosser handicaps, you have made a good beginning. That being so you have swallowed and digested some big chunks of truth about yourself.
BB pf 71
That's the goal here....Not to set right stealing Johnny's crayon in preschool. But if that's really eating at you....Have at it.
I was also a guilt feeler...I stacked up the guilts one upon another and carried them all up until I started my 4th steps. I also have a very good memory so people, places and things are still there in vivid color and surround sound. I didn't let myself off the hook for anything. I didn't need justifications to skip and choose and since I have the memory I use it to acknowledge my wrong doings and make the change...the amends. The process was very enlightening in that I came to front people I had hurt a long time ago who still remembered and over all that time questioned "what had they done wrong to me". Doing the 9th I set them free from self blame. One of my last amends came after 22 years of the event and of the people wronged both answer the phone as if it was just that day that it happened. I left people in pain and lots of times they thought they were responsible. Do the amends process of the 4th thru the 9th and in that process set them and yourself free. Give yourself grace and allow yourself margin...self forgiveness. ((((hugs))))
Also with Butterfinger's example with the girl...that incident may not be the core resentment but who instilled you with the belief you had to be perfect and never forgive your wrong doings? Maybe that's where the resentment is. Resentments require letting go but not always amends. For you bty, I might think the underlying resentment comes from the same place. Who raised you or fed you the belief you were not worthy of self care? For me, my parent were a lot of it even though they were good parents and did their best. I did wind up having to make amends to them but it was for me playing martyr and the pity card so much as a result of my skewed interpretation and negative messages I bought into.
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One day I realized that my life had been an exercise in apologizing for taking up space and trying to earn the right of existence. This sounds like the same stuff. That was a very powerful share and a very real one. Thank you.
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An addict is WHAT I am but it does not define all of WHO I am.
You know I have never thought of "resentments" in that way before Stepchild. When I would hear it used in AA I always dismissed it as not applying to me as I rarely hold a grudge or have ill will toward people who've wronged me, even when I would have liked to. Your definition makes a lot more sense to me. The soul crucrushing guilt I feel over every misdeed is most definitely a resentment of sorts. And I know that it has a dramatic negative impact on my sobriety in the past.
This is a good way to look at it. I found this in some definition..
Resentment can be triggered by an emotionally disturbing experience felt again or relived in the mind. When the person feeling resentment is directing the emotion at himself or herself, it appears as remorse.
Point is BF....If what you're experiencing has had a negative impact on your sobriety in the past....It has to be dealt with. Step 4 is not a list of dirty laundry...The incidents aren't what we're trying to remove....We can't. Our HP can't. They're done. We can try and set things right with amends later...But what we are trying to have our HP remove are the things that we have that created the incidents to begin with....Charactor defects. We do this step to bring to light our charactor defects....Things like...
To conclude that others were wrong was as far as most of us ever got. The usual outcome was that people continued to wrong us and we stayed sore. Sometimes it was remorse and then we were sore at ourselves. But the more we fought and tried to have our own way, the worse matters got. As in war, the victor only seemed to win. Our moments of triumph were short-lived.
It is plain that a life which includes deep resentment leads only to futility and unhappiness. To the precise extent that we permit these, do we squander the hours that might have been worth while. But with the alcoholic, whose hope is the maintenance and growth of a spiritual experience, this business of resentment is infinitely grave. We found that it is fatal. For when harboring such feelings we shut ourselves off from the sunlight of the Spirit. The insanity of alcohol returns and we drink again. And with us, to drink is to die.
BB pg 66
-- Edited by Stepchild on Wednesday 15th of January 2014 06:50:50 AM
Resentments ??? ... ... ... Of course Stepman is correct here ... they can easily be the things I resent myself for doing, or not doing, in additions to those things we feel others did wrong to us ...
After 'sincerely and honestly' working the steps, I cleared all the baggage out ... it doesn't come back !!!!!!! UNLESS I invite it back to haunt me ... ... ... I am responsible for how I feel at ANY given point in time ... No-one can force me to feel ANYTHING I don't allow them to, even to myself ... ... ... God has granted me that reprieve as long as I seek His will and guidance (usually through others just like those here on this board) ...
Oh Stepdude, ... My Doctor in rehab, years ago, had me write out an inventory starting from 'birth' ... LOL ... he was serious ... I had to start with my very 1st memories and write out every 'cotton pick'n' thing I could remember that made me feel bad or that made me feel less about myself ... ... ... (at least it was a good start for my 4th step, and it helped with my 8th step) ...
Great post BTY ... thanks
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If it's something that bothers you...And you remember it to this day.....Then by all means it should be put down. That is something that is blocking you. I don't think age has anything to do with a resentment. But I wasn't ridiculous about it. I heard a guy in a meeting last week say he was working on a fourth step and he already had 75 pages...I could only think about the poor sponsor that got handed that. He'll probably look at a few pages of it...And that will be it.
This paragraph says a lot...
Referring to our list again. Putting out of our minds the wrongs others had done, we resolutely looked for our own mistakes. Where had we been selfish, dishonest, self-seeking and frightened? Though a situation had not been entirely our fault, we tried to disregard the other person involved entirely. Where were we to blame? The inventory was ours, not the other man's. When we saw our faults we listed them. We placed them before us in black and white. We admitted our wrongs honestly and were willing to set these matters straight.
BB Pg 67
Where had we been selfish, dishonest, self-seeking and frightened?
Those are the key questions right there. Those charactor defects will all fall into one of those categories. I never even knew...That anger could be fear based. I learned a lot in my fourth step.
You know I have never thought of "resentments" in that way before Stepchild. When I would hear it used in AA I always dismissed it as not applying to me as I rarely hold a grudge or have ill will toward people who've wronged me, even when I would have liked to. Your definition makes a lot more sense to me. The soul crucrushing guilt I feel over every misdeed is most definitely a resentment of sorts. And I know that it has a dramatic negative impact on my sobriety in the past.
How have I missed that all these years?
That soul crushing guilt you feel is called "shame." But the difference between shame and guilt is that guilt says, "I did something wrong" where shame says "I am something wrong." Same recovery process though.
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Alcoholics Anonymous, Page 84
An addict is WHAT I am but it does not define all of WHO I am.
Hey Step, I do agree with your line of thought here ... AND your reprint of what we're taught in the book ... All I was trying to point out is that my doctor, top in his field, AND a recovering alcoholic, knew my first few tries in AA were not thorough enough ... he come to know I was 'hard core' and treated me as such ... there are some that follow the suggestions and stay on the 'recovery train' from the start ... then there are some, like me, that must keep falling off the train and trying to get back on and hold on for dear life ...
Personally, I think if you've worked the steps and have not been granted the promises as described in the BB, then you haven't been thorough enough, or something is 'missing' and you must go to any length to get help to figure that out, else very little progress is made ... perhaps none ...
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'Those who leave everything in God's hand will eventually see God's hand in everything.'
Personally, I think if you've worked the steps and have not been granted the promises as described in the BB, then you haven't been thorough enough, or something is 'missing' and you must go to any length to get help to figure that out, else very little progress is made ... perhaps none ...
These guys didn't leave many stones unturned Pappy...I think it comes down to this more than anything else....
Some of us have tried to hold on to our old ideas and the result was nil until we let go absolutely.
I love my meetings so don't get me wrong, but I just feel I learn so much more by listening to you all on this board. It is so much more in depth at least to me and although some of it goes over my head, I hope in time I'll understand.
Tell you the truth BTY...If I thought about this too much...I would have talked myself out of it. I had to dive into it and just do it. I learned along the way...And still do. They have a whole chapter in that book about action. There is a reason for that.