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I woke up last night after a bad nightmare. In my dream I was at one of my lowest turning point alcohol related times and I said "I know I did this to myself I am responsible for my drinking and actions". In my dream I started sobbing. Then woke up. This past time in my life was when a huge painful psychotic break happened years ago. I put myself in a bad situation because of drinking/drugging. 

When I woke up all I could do is pray and ask for the pain to be removed. Yesterday was the first day I did my third step. I'm kinda scared to do my 4th now. Any feedback or thoughts on this?

The prayers did work I went back to sleep. I am greatful for that. Exhausted today. I've been tiered this whole week I've been sober.



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I found stopping drinking to be an exhausting undertaking....I guess the body and mind misses what we've been pouring into it...I look at it like I had a lot of undoing to do. I also medically detoxed for the first five days...Anti siezure meds...And that wiped me out....I just slept. It gets better...We defog a little bit more each day. I don't think at one week you are going through anything abnormal.

As far as the 3rd step goes....I looked at it as a decision whether I'm going to start trusting God and continue on with the process of facing and ridding myself of what is blocking me from Him...Steps 4 - 9....Or not. I wanted what these people that had done it had...I just wanted to live a happy life without alcohol....I hadn't been able to do that before. I said the prayer in the book on my knees as my sponsor suggested I do.....And I started step 4. Now that I had decided to put my will and my life in God...As I understand Him's care....I prayed for help doing that step....Notice how many times in the directions for step four they say things like...We asked God...And refer to prayer. They mention things like this....

Perhaps there is a better way - we think so. For we are now on a different basis; the basis of trusting and relying upon God. We trust infinite God rather than our finite selves. We are in the world to play the role He assigns. Just to the extent that we do as we think He would have us, and humbly rely on Him, does He enable us to match calamity with serenity.

pg 68

I couldn't do this step without God's help....I wrote and I prayed....It's a beautiful step....It's where we find out what makes us tick.....Causes and conditions. Don't be afraid of it....Not with the help you have.

As far as nightmares go....I had them too...They get less frequent also....Time takes time.


 



-- Edited by Stepchild on Friday 6th of December 2013 11:15:37 PM

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What Stepchild said. To this day, maybe once or twice a year I will have one of "those" nightmares. I wake up in a panic, actually craving a drink to calm myself down, and then once I'm wide awake I can tell myself "that was a doozy" and let it go. We put our bodies and brain cells through a lot when we use, so I think as those damaged cells are working to get healthy again, we experience bizarreness. But yes, those dreams hurt as much as the reality, that sick heartache that physically hurts-- and then we remember that we now have a choice to never do that to ourselves again. It's about learning to love yourself enough to not want that kind of hurt again. It took me years to recognize that I wasn't just addicted to the alcohol, I was also addicted to the insanity and worse, the pain. Even newly sober, I would seek out painful situations. Then I got a sponsor. She was a butt kicker, very hard ass, but it's what I needed.

I also think that perhaps we subconsciously hold those pains and memories and fears closer than we realize because that is what we know. We've been there, we know what to expect, so no surprises. So we fear this new life, this sober life; fears of failure, fears of not being what we think we should be as sober people, all those old insecurities only now we know they are there. But the good thing is, they pass.
We get familiar with our new skin, and find out it's really okay. It's a nice fit.

With the right sponsor, you will know when you're ready for the fourth. Some people are able to take it sooner than others. I waited a bit for my brain to clear and to know I was taking it during a safe time for me with someone I knew I could trust. Your Higher Power will absolutely be there when you are ready to make that decision. Ready being the operative word. Things unfold as they should, just have faith. God does answer our prayers, if we just give Him time.

Be gentle with yourself.

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My sponsor also was big on thoroughly following the path...The directions for when to start step four are here...

Though our decision was a vital and crucial step, it could have little permanent effect unless at once followed by a strenuous effort to face, and to be rid of, the things in ourselves which had been blocking us. Our liquor was but a symptom. So we had to get down to causes and conditions.

The decision they talk about is step 3...I don't recommend taking too much time on it...What they are talking about is the decision isn't going to keep you sober long without following it up with action...I've seen this proven enough times. Talk with your sponsor about it.


 



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I think I was 18 days sober when I started my fourth step...That's when I left my rehab early and found a homegroup and a sponsor. I was still pretty foggy...One thing my sponsor suggested was I set aside an hour a day to work on it....No TV...No phone...No music...Just my HP and myself and pen and paper...I used a notebook. I think I worked on it about three weeks...Missed a couple days in there...So I figure it took me around 15 hours...That worked out well for me...Because I couldn't take much more than an hour a day...That was enough. It's funny...Sometimes I couldn't think of anything...I'd pray or just take it easy....And sometimes it was like the pen was moving by itself. I prayed a lot for willingness and honesty....I figured I needed help in both those departments. I wish you well...Have fun with it....It's an eye-opening step.....It's the truth about the lie.



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It's amazing what quiet time can do for you.

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Aloha Liz...keep trudging, be afraid and do it anyway was what my sponsors encouraged me to do.  "Nightmares and drinking dreams don't kill you or get you drunk" and along with that the lessons on F.E.A.R.  My dreams were just dreams...metaphors and frightening for sure and still based upon False Evidence Appearing Real.  Yes my mind and emotions did record fearful events which I seemingly got past and then later when I was relaxed in sleep released them letting me have another look with different colors, different, people, different sounds and outcomes.  My last nightmare was about 10 years ago and it was very animated causing me to leap out of the bed and land on the floor and scaring my wife out of her wits.  My last drinking dream was a few years later after I had over 25 years of sobriety.  I was sure I had left the house and been out drinking and there I was standing over my wife in bed asking "Did I leave the house"? several times.  "No" she said "come back to bed" and that was that.  My last flirtation with alcohol was only about 3 years ago and I knew it for what it was; the disease causing me to remember and reconsider maybe just "one" or at least save the cut glass bottle as a souvinere(?).  The disease is cunning powerful and baffling and will always work on those parts of me which caused me to say yes to it.  In the last 35 years I've only had to deal with drinking in my sub-conscious and with time it gets more remote.

My inventory on my emotional self revealed that fear was my greatest emotional character defect and so I learned to expect it until I could replace it with its opposite.  My Higher Power removed it from me and I was able to move into and thru the program much more easily. My sponsors all kept me moving forward even when fear, anxiety and reluctance wanted to have me procrastinate.  "Be afraid...do it anyway" was what I was taught and now that is habitual as my drinking was. Sobriety for me in simple terms has been learning alternative behaviors looking for alternative consequences.  Sobriety isn't only about not drinking.  

The 4th step for me was an unanticipated journey starting off with the best I can being just touching the surface.  I knew about it some as I was raised Catholic and confession and penance was part of life however learning the requirements of "searching, fearless and moral"  required repitition over time and on my last 4th step I looked for the tap root of all of my character defects with my HP and sponsor; that deep root that the mass of my defects were connect to and feed off of.

Fear can present itself as PTSD also which for me isn't so much my subconscious acting out and my consciousness entertaining insanity.  It is still not a justification to drink or consume mind/mood altering chemicals unless those are prescribed to improve my sobriety...my balance of mind, body, spirit and emotions.

Try incorporating the Let go and Let God, Easy Does it, Don't React and such slogans into your daily program...not just thinking it and doing it...practice, practice, practice.  From personal experiences that works.  Of course ongoing conversations with your Higher Power...and your sponsorship and group.   You are not alone in the least.   Keep coming back.   (((hugs))) smile 



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welp, heres what I think: yer scared to do the 4th. tells me yer not in denial about the wreckage ya left in yer path. good!
theres great news on this step: its going to be one step closer to freedom.
daily reflection for april 17:

All these failings generate fear, a soul-sickness in its own
right.
TWELVE STEPS AND TWELVE TRADITIONS, p. 49


"Fear knocked at the door; faith answered; no one was
there." I don't know to whom this quote should be
attributed, but it certainly indicates very clearly that fear is
an illusion. I create the illusion myself.
I experienced fear early in my life and I mistakenly
thought that the mere presence of it made me a coward. I
didn't know that one of the definitions of "courage" is "the
willingness to do the right thing in spite of fear." Courage,
then, is not necessarily the absence of fear.
During the times I didn't have love in my life I most
assuredly had fear. To fear God is to be afraid of joy. In
looking back, I realize that, during the times I feared God
most, there was no joy in my life. As I learned not to fear
God, I also learned to experience joy

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Hi Liz, You're getting some very good feedback from Stepchild and all the others who have posted and are helping you a great deal.  Just reaching out and asking for help is a step forward for you.  You shared that you're kind of scared to begin Step Four.  That's perfectly normal for us alcoholics.  As you already know, Step Four is looking at the truth about ourselves.  That fear you're feeling is your disease lying to you, trying to convince you that the truth will hurt you and destroy you.  The opposite is actually true.  Our disease destroys.  The truth gives new life.  Much like me "back in the day", you probably think that if you look too closely at yourself, you'll find out that you're completely bad.  We alcoholics normally think that way, but it's not true.  Please let me share a true life story with you about something that actually happened to me that changed everything for me regarding Step Four.  I'll try to give you the "condensed-version" to keep it short and simple.  I call it The Weed Patch Story.  I share it with all my sponsorees when they're at Step Four.

Some 25 years ago when I was getting newly sober, my wife and I had moved to a small acreage that had a huge ugly thick patch of weeds just beyond the back yard.  Beyond the weed patch, there was a nice grassy horse pasture.  The pasture looked great but the weed patch was definitely an eyesore.  The weeds and thistles were as high as my shoulders in most places.  After we got settled in and had everything arranged nicely in the house, I decided that it was finally time to figure out what we should do about the nasty patch of weeds.  I thought about setting it on fire and burning it all down.  I thought about hiring someone to mow it all down.  I thought about getting somebody to come in with a bulldozer.  I wasn't sure how to approach it, but I knew I had to get rid of it somehow because it was so nasty looking.

One sunny Saturday morning my wife and I were outside together and we were discussing what to do with the darned thing.  Then my wife said she wanted to walk back into the pasture on the other side of the weed patch and explore it.  Well, the only way to get to the pasture was to walk directly through the weed patch.  So, we decided to try it.  We proceeded carefully, pushing our way through the tall thick weeds -- with me leading the way.  It was slow-going because I had to push tall weeds from side-to-side as we walked through.  It was like a jungle.  Suddenly, my wife said she stepped on something and wanted to see what it was.  She bent down to find it and came up with a cucumber in her hand.  Then, I stepped on another cucumber, and another, and another.  I pushed forward and stumbled over two small anemic looking pumpkins.  As I held them up to show them to her, she showed me a handful of squash she'd found.  While I was digging around in the weeds, I found a row of carrots.  Totally amazed, I turned to her and said, "What in the heck are these vegetables doing in a weed patch??"  Grinning at me, my wife said, "You silly boy.  Mike...don't you get it?  This is no weed patch!  It's a garden!  Let's start pulling weeds!"  So, we did start pulling weeds.  I pulled them up and she carried them away and piled them up.  I handed her more and more vegetables, and she filled buckets and boxes with them.  It was a sorting-process -- weeds over there, and vegetables over here.  It was a lot of work, and it took all weekend, but the more weeds we pulled, the more vegetables we found in very straight carefully-planted rows.  As we worked on it, my mind gradually changed from thinking of this piece of land as an ugly weed patch, to thinking of it as a beautiful garden.  And, when we got finished....that's exactly what we saw -- a beautiful carefully-planted garden.  The vegetables we found were not thriving too well because the weeds had blocked out the sunshine from them.  Some of them were small and pale but, they were still living.  We definitely made use of them at the table.  We couldn't believe what we discovered about that weed patch that we were going to destroy.

Some time later, I found myself sitting with my sponsor as he was explaining Step Four to me from the Big Book.  As we read the book and talked, I suddenly remembered that previous experience with the weed patch/garden.  It came to my mind in a flash of reality.  And, I could hear my wife's words:  "Mike....this is no weed patch....it's a garden!"  That's when I realized that I had to change my thinking about myself.  I had only thought of myself as an ugly useless "weed patch" that needs to be destroyed.  But, I discovered in Step Four that I was never a "weed patch".  I was actually a carefully-planted "garden" that had just become over-grown with weeds, that's all.  My "weeds" (my character defects) had been blocking out God's Grace all along.  Underneath all the chaos and disorder of those weeds (character defects), there was perfect order inside me.  All I had to do was....start pulling "weeds" to reveal it.  And, once I did, I found something beautiful and useful that had just been hidden....but, it was always there all along.

Liz, once you start "pulling weeds" in Step Four, you're not going to find how ugly you are....you're going to find how beautiful you are.  You're not a "weed patch".  You're a "carefully-planted garden".  The truth you will find is not the ugly truth...it's the beautiful truth.  Thanks for letting me share this experience with you.  Blessings, Mike D.



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My very first sponsor has passed away. His take of the 4th step always made me laugh.

He said...

Doing a 4th step is like striking your head up our ass and taking a look around. It all looks pretty shitty. But ya gotta pull your head out and go on with it.

I still laugh thinking about him :)

I was scared of step 4. Then dreaded sharing it. And oh hell... I knew making amends would be tough...

But what's didn't know is that everyone knew all those things about me already, pretty much. They knew I felt lower than a whale turd at the bottom of the sea. Any normal person would, living like I did. I found lots of bad, and expected to. We don't go out and become Mother Teresa when drunk. But it is about how we felt too. Read the big book instructions. I found motives, and fears, many useful things later on in life. There is a purpose to step 4. I think there is also a reason so many that choose to drink again also skipped that step.

It took a while to learn, but so many of those people we are scared of are on our side. They know we are alcoholics and want us to get better.

Be brave. It is a scary new unknown place you go. But it is a better place. You are like the astronaut on a launch pad before they touch off the rockets. A new life and exciting journey awaits. In my opinion, doing the steps is all our training before the launch. I am excited for you! Go and get that new life!



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Some Great replies there for you LizMc .
A bricklayer told me at th 1st meeting I went to out of detox .
The 3rd & 4th step , the 3rd step is 'only' a decision .
The 4th step . Well you are doing it in your head anyway , so you may as well do it ,
get it out , get it on paper & get rid of it . SIMPLE . Yes Simple . May NOT be easy .

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I haven't done my fourth step so I cannot give you any advice on that, but did want to wish you well and some really great advice has been given by the good folks above.
Take care and hugs to you for changing your life.

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I really like that story Mike D....That's fricken awesome.

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Do your 4th and 5th steps without delay ... the quicker the better ... if the 4th & 5th are put off for very long, they can grow harder and harder to accomplish ... or least that's the way it was with me ...

Oh, welcome to MIP .. I was 'out-of-pocket' when you 1st came on-line here ... glad you found us ...


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I did my second 4th step with my sponsor when I lived just behind the Bank on Shaw between First and Fresno Streets.  My sponsor called me to find out if I was done and I told him "I think so".  We were doing the old model "split page" 4th...good of me on the left and worse of me on the right and he asked me, "how many things have you listed on the left side"? and I told him 8 and when he asked me about the right side list I told him "over 12" and his response was "Don't turn it in, I don't want to see it" which confused me and so I asked him why.  He replied "because there is no such thing as more bad in a person than there is good".  The first requirement listed is "searching" and so I went back to work on my second 4th step.  Don't ask about my first one...my sponsor fire me for dishonesty.  Wishing you good stuff.   ((((hugs)))) smile



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I have to admit Jerry...I've never heard of that method.

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Hi everyone, What I really like about this Forum is that when someone asks questions, asks for feedback, or expresses concerns, they are always referred to the 12 Steps for answers.  I love this forum because there is so much honesty, real recovery, and spiritual growth here.  Thanks to everybody who shares their experience, strength, and hope here.  Blessings to all, Mike D.



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