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Everything I do is for nothing. I almost got a job the other day. But my phone wouldn't ring. I got the messages, but no ring. Tried to call them, but all I got was the machine. The last message said they found somone else. I also tried to get a job at winco. They waited three weeks to tell me that I wasnt even going to be considered for an interview, but they were greatful that I was interested in going to work for them. They thanked me for that. I was supposed to go to work for one day today but it rained. All the money I would have made would have gone to the courts but now I havent any money to pay them. Gods fucking with me. He's mad cause I wont kiss his ass like all of you do. Well Im not gonna bow before him. no way. he can fuck with me all he wants but he'll never get me to grovel. You know how I can get somone to hire me? easy. If I smoke some weed tonight, I'll get a call first thing in the morning. They will hire me, and then send me to the lab to be drug tested and i'll fail. If i DONT Smoke any weed they simply wont call. You call this crazy? Think Im wack? well if god is real, then How crazy is it to say he isnt laughing at me right now. Blame the devil you'll say. God needs the devil cause without him god wouldnt have anyone to blame his inperfections on. God does somthing stupid-Blame the devil. Simple as pie. And its a nice cherry pie to...



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Hmm. It doesn't sound like you're sticking it to god to me, it sounds like you're only screwing yourself over.

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I see you are still dropping by this board, robbie0330. Good to see you. Not all AA'ers believe in God. Some believe in a Higher Power. Some don't. Some are atheists. I had a lot of those "if there is a God" questions, too. Not sure about you, but most of mine occurred when I was drinking heavily. I don't have those same questions anymore. I just give thanks to God everyday for keeping me sober and doing for me what I couldn't do for myself. I am sorry you are having a rough time finding a job and hope you find one soon. I read something somewhere about thinking positive thoughts and positive things will start to happen to you. And if you think negative thoughts then negative things will happen. I was the most negative thinking person I knew. When I stopped drinking, a lot of my negativity about my circumstances subsided. Now, for a good while, when I start feeling down and like the world is beating up on me, I try to think of all the things in my life that although may not be perfect, aren't all that bad and I try to focus on them. Seems to be helping me.

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hmm???? did you type that? did you type that cause your keyboards humming? but really you are and you had to type it? hmmm.......HMMMM......... Thats another thing I hate. people typing their grunts. Just fantastic.



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Sooooo read you post back to yourself Robbie and ask yourself how'd you come up with the idea of wack?  Sound like a perfect justification to use.  One thing I never used as a justification to drink was God cause blaming God for the consequences of my choices seemed too weak.  I would be just too embarassed when I found out I was wrong.   The story reads for me, "My only problem is me and my only solutions is God" and I've been sticking to that for a while now and think its working.  Keep coming back.  smile



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Ok.... I got a chance to go to work today. It rained. I got a call back for a job I landed. The phone DIDDNT RING. I told My neighbor winco was hiring and we both filled out job apps. They actually HIRED MY NEIGHBOR. 3 months ago I got a flat tire on the way to a job interview. I was late, they diddnt believe me and I was dismissed. Im not gonna tell you what happened in october cause you might insist that what happened there was all my fault... no. GOD IS THE REASON I DONT DRINK. Im watching my ass. And god is a sneaky little cat. meow meow.

btw... I have no money to go to traffic school on monday. That will be two points on my driving record. I'll admit the tickets were my fault, but the money isnt coming in damnit. I just got my A liscence in may, and since the doctor told the DMV what I told him (doctor\patient trust you know) about my alcoholism, the dmv insists that I cant drive till at least january 2014. If I have 2 points on my record I wont be able to drive for anyone. Meow Meow.



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Some people think of God as some kind of cosmic puppet master that controls everything that happens to everyone. This guy wins the lottery, that guy gets hit by lightning, some jerk gets lucky at a slot machine and an innocent little kid gets bit by a rabid dog, and God makes all of those choices about our lives. That idea of God never worked for me, for all the reasons you describe in your first comment. It just makes no sense and it wouldn't give me any good reason to put my faith in something like that. But I wasn't too eager to try to stay sober based on nothing more than my ability to 'white knuckle it' and live my life based on every self-destructive alcoholic idea that popped into my head, either. So I started looking around for some better way to look at this whole problem.

And after many years of sobriety, I still have no idea what God is or how the universe works. But there's nothing in the steps or anywhere else in AA that says "we figured out what God is". What I HAVE figured out though, is that this whole idea of "God's will" has nothing to do with the things that happen to me. "God's will" is referring to how I ought to act and what I should do. It even says right there in step eleven, that when I pray or meditate, it should be "only for knowledge of God's will for me and the power to carry it out". It is the things that I DO, not something that happens to me. And notice the word ONLY. All I'm supposed to be seeking is some insight into how I ought to act. God doesn't 'do stuff' to f*ck with me', shit just happens. And that has nothing to do with God's will, at least for the purposes of me working the steps and staying sober.

And to be clear, I don't hear some voice in my head telling me specific instructions about 'God's will' and what I should do. For me, that could be an indication of a serious condition. Generally, I become aware of God's will for me because I have gotten pretty darn good at recognizing MY alcoholic self-will. It's those self-destructive self-centered fear-based ideas that pop into my head uninvited, like 'don't ask for help, just try to look good' or 'you should tell a lie about that' or of course the big one: 'go ahead and drink'. And I can consider God's will for how I ought to act to be ANYTHING THAT IS SANER AND HEALTHIER THAN THAT CRAP. I don't think of God as a guy on a cloud, but if he were, I'm sure he'd be fine with me just not being a jerk, not hurting myself or others, and staying sober. I don't get the impression that the details beyond that (like should I take the freeway or the surface streets) matter much in the scheme of things.

Of course I could be completely wrong about all of this. So what. It works and I'm sober and happy about the fact that I'm sober. It doesn't matter to me if my understanding of God is incorrect. I didn't come to AA to get a theology degree. I came to AA so I wouldn't die of alcoholism. I hope this helps.

 

 



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Sometimes reality sucks....and sometimes...things get worse...before they get better...and somedays..there are a lot of F+++g tests...that seem to never end....

Ask me...

I know...

Ive had to borrow money from friends just to survive..Ive had to go to food banks to keep from starving....

Some days Ide like to walk into a liquor store and put a jug under my coat...walk out and get completely pissed..

Consequences? DEATH

Im grateful..Im still breathin...

Im gratefull for AA meetings and the people there that pick me up...for another day...

I know for sure..that its going to better....as long as I stay sober...

And that's all I really know...

So...my friend?

If you wake up breathing this morning?

Its a good start



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Grow up kid....Seriously....You sound like a fricken 8 year old.
Poor, poor, pitiful robbie.


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Don't take the bait.

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Robbie - Early sobriety is full of hardships. For real. It's going to feel like crap and it's going to be all too easy to believe God is crapping on you with the struggles you are facing. These are struggles most of us had in early sobriety though.

What an addict/alcoholic does is find themselves in a hole and keep on digging. You are not going to get out of the hole by weakening your faith (whatever that is). We try and be spiritual so that we believe in something to help us keep going. It's a better way to live than to poopoo everything and find reasons for negativity and giving up.

Find what you believe in, shore up your faith and keep trucking through what you need to. That's not kissing ass. It's what a grown up does.

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I don't know how long this guy has been on here blaming God...And blaming the Devil...And blaming everybody....But it gets old. Take a long look in the mirror robbie. There lies the problem. Staring right back at you.

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robbie0330 wrote:

Everything I do is for nothing. I almost got a job the other day. But my phone wouldn't ring. I got the messages, but no ring. Tried to call them, but all I got was the machine. The last message said they found somone else. I also tried to get a job at winco. They waited three weeks to tell me that I wasnt even going to be considered for an interview, but they were greatful that I was interested in going to work for them. They thanked me for that. I was supposed to go to work for one day today but it rained. All the money I would have made would have gone to the courts but now I havent any money to pay them. Gods fucking with me. He's mad cause I wont kiss his ass like all of you do. Well Im not gonna bow before him. no way. he can fuck with me all he wants but he'll never get me to grovel. You know how I can get somone to hire me? easy. If I smoke some weed tonight, I'll get a call first thing in the morning. They will hire me, and then send me to the lab to be drug tested and i'll fail. If i DONT Smoke any weed they simply wont call. You call this crazy? Think Im wack? well if god is real, then How crazy is it to say he isnt laughing at me right now. Blame the devil you'll say. God needs the devil cause without him god wouldnt have anyone to blame his inperfections on. God does somthing stupid-Blame the devil. Simple as pie. And its a nice cherry pie to...


 Oh WOW, ... kinda glad I'm nowhere near you right now robbie ... It's been my experience that those that challenge God never fair very well ...

 

DID YOU KNOW THESE FACTS? I SURE DIDNT TILL NOW! 

Death is certain but the Bible speaks about untimely death. Make a reflection about this.... 

Very interesting, read until the end..... 

It is written in the Bible (Galatians 6:7): 
'Be not deceived; God is not mocked:for whatsoever a man sow, that shall he also reap... 

Here are some men and women who mocked God: 

John Lennon 

Some years before, during his interview with an American Magazine, he said: 'Christianity will end, it will disappear. I do not have to argue about that... I am certain. Jesus was ok, but his subjects were too simple, today we are more famous than Him' (1966). Lennon, after saying that the Beatles were more famous than Jesus Christ, 
was shot six times. 

Tancredo Neves (President of Brazil ): 

During the Presidential campaign, he said if he got 500,000 votes from his party, not even God would remove him from Presidency. Sure he got the votes, but he got sick a day before being made President, then he died. 

Cazuza (Bi-sexual Brazilian composer, singer and poet): 

During a show in Canecio ( Rio de Janeiro ),while smoking his cigarette, he puffed out some smoke into the air and said: 'God, that's for you.' He died at the age of 32 of LUNG CANCER in a horrible manner. 

The man who built the Titanic: 

After the construction of Titanic,a reporter asked him how safe the Titanic would be. With an ironic tone he said:'Not even God can sink it' The result: I think you all know what happened to the Titanic 

Marilyn Monroe (Actress) 

She was visited by Billy Graham during a presentation of a show. 

He said the Spirit of God had sent him to preach to her. After hearing what the Preacher had to say, she said:'I don't need your Jesus'. 

A week later, she was found dead in her apartment 

Bon Scott(Singer) 

The ex-vocalist of the AC/DC.On one of his 1979 songs he sang: 'Don't stop me; I'm going down all the way,down the highway to hell'. 

On the 19th of February 1980,Bon Scott was found dead, he had been choked by his own vomit. 

Campinas (IN 2005) 

In Campinas, Brazil, a group of friends, drunk, 
went to pick up a friend...... The mother accompanied her to the car and was so worried about the drunkenness of her friends and she said to the daughter holding her hand, who was already seated in the car: 'My Daughter, Go With God And May He Protect You.'

She responded: 'Only If He (God) travels In the trunk, cause inside here.....It's already full.' 

Hours later, news came by that they had been involved in a fatal accident, everyone had died, the car could not be recognized what type of car it had been, but surprisingly, the trunk was intact. The police said there was no way the trunk could have remained intact. To their surprise, inside the trunk was a crate of eggs, none was broken 

Christine Hewitt 

(Jamaican Journalist and entertainer) said the Bible (Word of God) was the worst book ever written. In June 2006 she was found burnt beyond recognition in her motor vehicle. 

Many more important people have forgotten that there is no other name that was given so much authority as the name of Jesus. Many have died, 
but only Jesus died and rose again, and he is still alive. 'Jesus' 



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One more thing ... Here's a typed out version of a sponsee talking with his sponsor:

1st of All

 

 

Sponsor: It's your thinking that's wrong.

Sponsee: How much of my thinking is wrong?

 

Sponsor: We always start with, all of it, then if there's any, any good,

we'll let you know.

 

Sponsee: You put a sign up that sez .. THINK, THINK, THINK.

Sponsor: That's for us!

 

Now we're go'n to give you some things 'to do' and things 'not to

do', ...

 

Now the things we'll give you 'not to do' is go'n to

change', the things we give you 'to do', you're go'n to add

to', Then it's go'n to happen over here.

 

Sponsee: What's go'n to happen over there?

Sponsor: We don't know but it always happens!!!

 

Sponsee: I'm going to tell you something', I've been listening to you

and listening to you', Now you listen to me, ... I DO NOT

UNDERSTAND ...

 

Sponsor: AND THAT'S IT & DON'T YOU EVER FORGET IT!!.

 

There's two things you must remember every day for the rest of

your life:

 

1. No matter what's go'n on in your life', You Do Not

Understand' ... then you'll have understanding

And when you quit trying to understand, then you can enjoy

it.

 

2. No matter what your situation is, ... it's never them, ..never

her, never God, ... it's YOU that must become different

than you ever have before.

 

Sponsee: How do I do that?

Sponsor: Oh! You can't!

 

Sponsee: What the Hell you tell'n me that for???

Sponsor: That's what's go'n to happen to ya.

NOW I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU THE KICKER.

This is the very one thing that got you here, ... But it's the very

one thing that, ... should it not change, ... will be the very one

thing that's going to keep you from getting all the things that God

has for his children ...

 

As long as you know that you know, ... you'll never know.

But when you begin to do what we tell you 'not to do' and 'to do'

and begin to know that you don't know, ... then you'll begin to

know ...

 

 

Sponsee: Hell, you're crazy!

Sponsor: I know



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I have gotton in numerous confrontations with people who said they didn't believe in God and it got me no where. I only got more upset and frustrated as those people went on and on trying to get me to provide them "proof" of God and pulling out all kinds of things out of their asses to try and stump me. Hey, I questioned His existence myself at times, but like I said most often when I was drunk, feeling sorry for myself, and wanting to blame anyone but myself for the messes I had gotton myself into. What I am reading sounds like someone who was probably drinking at the time he wrote this as I suspected about other postings I have read by him. At least that is what I want to believe. I know my mind went to places that were pretty frightening to me when I was totally wasted....not like the above, where I was cursing God. If my thinking had been/was like that when I was sober, it would scare me more. And I am like Pappy. If I say anything at all which sounds like I am not being respectful of God, I start looking for lightening around me and ask forgiveness really fast.

I can relate to what stepchild said above....I would love to help this guy, but what is that expression...something like..."you can't reason with a drunk." and especially with a drinking drunk.

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Two proverbs come to mind.

The fool has said in his heart there is no God.

Don't try and correct a fool , they will only hate you for it.

I have noticed people say more stupid things online. Makes sense. You can be totally wasted out of your mind and get online. A little more challenging to get to a meeting.

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"I have noticed people say more stupid things online. Makes sense. You can be totally wasted out of your mind and get online. A little more challenging to get to a meeting"

I think you're right, sober strummer...and I have seen wasted people come to meetings, too.

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When we stop living in the problem and start living in the solution, the problem goes away. 

The problem & the solution-

BB 60-63

Being convinced, we were at Step Three, which is that we decided to turn our will and our life over to God as we understood Him. Just what do we mean by that, and just what do we do?

The first requirement is that we be convinced that any life run on self-will can hardly be a success. On that basis we are almost always in collision with something or somebody, even though our motives are good. Most people try to live by self-propulsion. Each person is like an actor who wants to run the whole show; is forever trying to arrange the lights, the ballet, the scenery and the rest of the players in his own way. If his arrangements would only stay put, if only people would do as he wished, the show would be great. Everybody, including himself, would be pleased. Life would be wonderful. In trying to make these arrangements our actor may sometimes be quite virtuous. He may be kind, considerate, patient, generous; even modest and self-sacrificing. On the other hand, he may be mean, egotistical, selfish and dishonest. But, as with most humans, he is more likely to have varied traits.

What usually happens? The show doesn't come off very well. He begins to think life doesn't treat him right. He decides to exert himself more. He becomes, on the next occasion, still more demanding or gracious, as the case may be. Still the play does not suit him. Admitting he may be somewhat at fault, he is sure that other people are more to blame. He becomes angry, indignant, self-pitying. What is his basic trouble? Is he not really a self-seeker even when trying to be kind? Is he not a victim of the delusion that he can wrest satisfaction and happiness out of this world if he only manages well? Is it not evident to all the rest of the players that these are the things he wants? And do not his actions make each of them wish to retaliate, snatching all they can get out of the show? Is he not, even in his best moments, a producer of confusion rather than harmony?

Our actor is self-centered - ego-centric, as people like to call it nowadays. He is like the retired business man who lolls in the Florida sunshine in the winter complaining of the sad state of the nation; the minister who sighs over the sins of the twentieth century; politicians and reformers who are sure all would be Utopia if the rest of the world would only behave; the outlaw safe cracker who thinks society has wronged him; and the alcoholic who has lost all and is locked up. Whatever our protestations, are not most of us concerned with ourselves, our resentments, or our self-pity?

Selfishness - self-centeredness! That, we think, is the root of our troubles. Driven by a hundred forms of fear, self-delusion, self-seeking, and self-pity, we step on the toes of our fellows and they retaliate. Sometimes they hurt us, seemingly without provocation, but we invariably find that at some time in the past we have made decisions based on self which later placed us in a position to be hurt.

So our troubles, we think, are basically of our own making. They arise out of ourselves, and the alcoholic is an extreme example of self-will run riot, though he usually doesn't think so. Above everything, we alcoholics must be rid of this selfishness. We must, or it kills us! God makes that possible. And there often seems no way of entirely getting rid of self without His aid. Many of us had moral and philosophical convictions galore, but we could not live up to them even though we would have liked to. Neither could we reduce our self-centeredness much by wishing or trying on our own power. We had to have God's help.

This is the how and why of it. First of all, we had to quit playing God. It didn't work. Next, we decided that hereafter in this drama of life, God was going to be our Director. He is the Principal; we are His agents. He is the Father, and we are His children. Most good ideas are simple, and this concept was the keystone of the new and triumphant arch through which we passed to freedom.

When we sincerely took such a position, all sorts of remarkable things followed. We had a new Employer. Being all powerful, He provided what we needed, if we kept close to Him and performed His work well. Established on such a footing we became less and less interested in ourselves, our little plans and designs. More and more we became interested in seeing what we could contribute to life. As we felt new power flow in, as we enjoyed peace of mind, as we discovered we could face life successfully, as we became conscious of His presence, we began to lose our fear of today, tomorrow or the hereafter. We were reborn.



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 Good call. 



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Don't forget robbie...Alcohol is the great persuader...If it ever beats you to a state of reasonableness...You know where to find us.



-- Edited by Stepchild on Friday 22nd of November 2013 09:11:29 PM

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"I have noticed people say more stupid things online. Makes sense. You can be totally wasted out of your mind and get online. A little more challenging to get to a meeting"

I think you're right, sober strummer...and I have seen wasted people come to meetings, too.


 A few for me.  I remember a guy that was typical drunk, nice sobers, smart ass drunk.  He came in drunk a few times.  He never really got it.  Sadly passed away about 4 years ago.  He always argued the god aspect.  

it used to be upsetting when people went back out.  But. Now I see the are just getting more convinced.  It is guard to think of ourselves as being different, beaten by drink.  

 



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I haven't had a drink since Halloween. See? I'm not pleasant when I'm sober. maybe you cant help me after all. and I am TRULEY sorry for that gay little poem. it was very poorly written. what was actually happening that night can probably not be put into words.

But what the hell do I care what any of you think about it. fuck you that poem was great.

 

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Dave12 - that was AWESOME! I am with ya on that train, and it's been a very good ride.

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Dave12 - that was AWESOME! I am with ya on that train, and it's been a very good ride.


 Thanks, JaD. I sometimes wish I had come into AA with an already established belief in some standard idea of what God is and how 'faith' works. I have envied people who didn't have to struggle with their understandings of matters of faith. Seems to me that would have made things a lot easier, but hey, we all start from wherever we're starting from.  

When I do find myself getting into intellectual debates over this stuff (either with someone else or, more often, in my own head) it helps to remind myself that, whatever there may be to this whole idea of God, if there IS anything to it, it must be big enough and welcoming enough that we can each approach it from our own path. And the goal is not to define it, but just to try to make a little progress on that path.

And when I find myself slipping into old ideas about a judgmental HP that would be weighing whether I deserved to be helped or not, it helps me if I think of it using an analogy, like the way a large tree offers shade on a hot day. The tree doesn't 'choose' who will get relief from the shade, it just provides shade and relief because that is it's nature. It's up to each of us to decide for ourselves if we want to get closer to it and get that relief.



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What a retard! Without The power of GOD you are hopeless. simply hopeless. Go drink yourself to death under a bridge somewhere. you don't deserve this program. Be sure to say Hi to the devil for me when you get to hell!



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Welcome to MIP Sarah...I like that delicate touch. Start a thread and tell us about yourself.

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Go drink myself to death. I don't deserve this program. Your right. I deserve MUCH better than this. Fuck every one of you, I'm done here.



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robbie0330 wrote:

Go drink myself to death. I don't deserve this program. Your right. I deserve MUCH better than this. Fuck every one of you, I'm done here.


 I will need a few pics and an STD profile before consenting to any hot lovely relations with you.    

 



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Good! get out of here! no one wants to listen to your ass!



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AND ONE MORE THING! Dont be afraid to stay away for good! your just a loser, and you'll never be any good to anyone!!! have fun in hell loser!!



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I'm getting the feeling that there is more than just robbie that needs to go back and work through the steps here ... hummmm ... how do we allow others to drag us down to their own personal lows ??? ... 

Is this really how we're taught to treat our fellow sufferers ???



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