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Hi, I'm new here, and I hope someone can give me some practical advice. 


How can I explain to my husband that his attitude really brings me down?  He's very depressing to be around.  He complains all the time about something or other, seems to hate the world, his life, and everyone around him including me.  He's just very negative all the time.  It's hard to change my own life with all that negativity around me.  Whenever I say anything to him, he gets very defensive.  Maybe I'm just using the wrong words with him.


If he's not ranting, then he's telling me more stuff that I need to do, adding more pressure to my already hectic life.  If I say I don't want to, or don't have time, he tries to make me feel guilty for not doing everything.  He'll say things like "if we still had a car I could do it myself" I admit I did wreck our car, but I don't think that means I always need to be the one to do all the shopping. 


It's the feeling of being under too much pressure that makes me want to drink.  I've been sober for about a month now, but sometimes its really hard.  As I get better, everyone seems to assume that I'm going to become wonder woman again, and do everything for everybody and take care of everything.  I used to be like that, that's part of what got me drinking in the first place, trying to drown my resentment of everyone, and the guilt that followed those feelings.


I am in treatment now, 8 weeks of education, 10 weeks of group therapy, monthly one on one with a counselor, and that helps some.  Divorce really isn't an option, we've been together for 20 years and have two kids.  I just want him to be a happier person, and be fun to be around again.


Thanks for any help!



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Prayer. Al Anon for him and other family members as Alcoholism is a family disease.


It's important your hubby "get involved" in your recovery, try to understand your disease to the best of his ability and support you thru recovery.  He needs to know that drinking was just a symptom of the underlying problems and it will take much time and hard work for you to get thru.


I too was super woman, did everything for everyone, I realize now it was in hopes that if I did it all no one would notice my drinking...... 


Try to remember it will take some time to earn his trust / respect back as we have let them  down so many times it's hard for them to believe it won't happen again.  


You're in my prayers.


Doll


 


 



-- Edited by Doll at 20:12, 2006-01-22

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Hi and congrats on your one month (or almost) of being sober.


It is sad to say that no one can change any one.  They have to want to change themselves like your doing for yourself.  If you want something done like food shopping, just do it the old fashion way and don't buy food and let him starve until her goes to the store.  It's not a nice thing to do,but he is not being nice to you.  Continue on your path  and perhaps he will join in on your recovery.  Your husband sounds a lot like my soon to be ex.  I got tired of being blamed for everything that went wrong.  Perhaps it did't make me drink (I just plain loved to drink no matter who are what), but it made me depressed.  Please keep coming back and sharing.


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Hi Michelle,


I have been there. There is no perfect way to handle any situation. We are dealing with a "cunning, baffelling, and powerful" disease. Although I have felt like I was doing a great program, family members still were recoiling form my past behaviour. I looked to them for trust and acceptance. I looked to them for understanding. I looked and looked for them to help me in everyway. This was the real problem. I looked for others to heal me...It just doesn't happen that way.


The answers are in the steps. As I worked through the program I found "my part." I learned that I had to forgive myself. I had to find a Higher Power to turn all problems over. I could not do this alone...Self knowledge and self will kept me in the thinking that caused me to drink. I found that the bottle was but a symbol of much deeper issues. It really was all about me...


Through meetings, the literature, and a sponsor, I began to find a better way. There is a better way. It is up to me to admit my shortcomings. I can only heal me. "What other people think of me, is none of my business." The answers are indeed in the steps. It shall take only one day at a time for the rest of my life.


Blessings, JV.



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zoomie wrote" and don't buy food and let him starve until her goes to the store.  It's not a nice thing to do,but he is not being nice to you. "


 


Sorry, hun, I have to say this a BIG NO NO. Keep your side of the street clean, always! And do the next right thing, even if you think it's gonna kill you......


 It's always easy to blame others, but if we look for our part in it, something that seems like the hardest thing to do,  admit and move on,  it really does get better for everyone


The BB says resentments take us back out. As an alcoholic in recovery I have enough resentments from my past, I try my damnest not to create new ones.


 


Doll






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It might help to realize you have 2 separate issues at hand.


#1 You say your husband is being a jerk.


#2 You say you have the urge to drink.


If you can look at the 2 issues individually then, you may be able to come up with a solution to at least one of your delimas.


For me if I drank because my sig. other treated me bad, the situation would probably get worse.


If I decide not to own someone elses' junk and don't drink then I won't have pain, guilt, and remorse the next morning.


Congratulations on your 1 month. Take it easy, don't drink, read the Big Book, work the steps with your sponsor, keep coming back, and one day you will see a huge change in yourself and your surrondings.



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LOL doll, I jst have to laugh.  It's probibly a no no,but I can't stand lazy men.

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I personally can't stand lazy PEOPLE. However, I will a)tolerate them and own my part or b) remove them from my life and still own my part, while c)continueing to work the program. It's not worth creating another resentment over. If I don't do my best to work the ALL of the Steps, I might as well head on to the local bar right now.


 



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Well, now,, see?  That is why we are not supposed to give advice.  Somebody told you not to shop,, and let him starve...  and then somebody else said that is bad advice.  Someone else said that they did a different thing.  We really can't tell you what to do. We can share with you what we have as far as applying the 12 Steps.  I agree with the 'keep my side of the street clean'  idea. 


Anyway,,,,  it sounds to me like your husband is depressed,,, negativity is part of the cycle of depression...  it both is a sign of depression,, and makes us depressed.  I really understand what a downer it is. My family was all negative like that,,, and it can become a habit... 'stinking thinking'. It may be helpful to tell him about the alanon program for himself. Is he aware of how constantly negative he is? Sometimes I say to a person,,, "okay,, now,, say something positive" and that sometimes helps to bring awareness of how constantly negative one is being.. cuz they have a hard time thinking of something positive. That is therapeutic in itself..  to make an effort to say some positive things. That was what I had to do... consciously make an effort to start to change my thinking patterns to be more positive. To try to develop an 'attitude of gratitude'.  Then,, one morning..  lo and behold..  to my surprise...   I caught myself singing, "I see trees of green.. red roses too..."  lol..  and I knew I had made some progress. "and I say to myself.. what a wonderful world.."  


love in recovery,


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Thanks all for the interesting comments!  I guess the main issue I was trying to address was: Is there a right way to tell someone they're too negative and possibly depressed without them getting too offended?  Life would just be easier with a happy guy in the basement.  Mostly we just try to avoid him, but can't keep that up forever! 


As far as getting the urge to drink when I'm under too much pressure to can't sleep, I do have a list of things to do to busy my mind and hands.  Exercise, drink tea, clean house, journal, write (I'm writing a couple of books), study (religions, trying to find my place), and look for a different job.  And I work full time, with a half hour walk there and back every day. Plenty of stuff to keep me out of trouble! 


Have a good week everyone!



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Hi michelle,


as Chrisb said: there are two problems for you. Your husband AND the urge to drink. First and most important thing for YOU is to stay sober and get your life back. (Congrats on your one month, it must have been hard in your situation so keep it up!)


Go talk with your husband, take him out for a long walk or something like so you will not get distracted by other stuff. Talk about how you feel, how he makes you feel. If he is the husband you deserve, he will understand and see that he has been treating you wrongly. Communication is essential in a marriage and if there still is some love between the two of you and you are both willing to work things out: Go for it! Make it work! I hope you can, and I hope he can too.


But the most important thing is that you stay sober. If you fall back to your old habbits, you will hate him and you will hate yourself. That will do no good to anyone.


I'm on a simmilar mission: winning back the unconditional love from my wife, it is hard, I'm not there yet, but I can only do it IF I stay sober! So mission #1 is stay sober and the rest will follow.


Good luck, and have a nice 24 hours!


franklin



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 I feel there is no "right" way to approach a depressed (and depressing) person about them changing their attitude.  I know, I am around a number of similar people who can get me down so I feel like drinking-and in the past, I did if they got too negative. I guess what i'd suggest (and it's not likely to go over well, at least in my experience) is to ask your husband if he'd see a counselor about his depression-or just take some self-test and see if he IS depressed.  Maybe if he realizes he has depression he'll want to do something about it. But there is probably a greater chance you'll make him angry if you imply he needs counseling. And he'll likely blame you for his feelings, unless he is ready to be honest and consider getting help.


   But you could maybe say something like "Please at least think about seeing a counselor, going to Al-Anon, or finding some other way to be less negative.  I am triyng to do something good for myself, and you as well, and it is not easy.  I need positive people right now, I cannot afford to get too down.  If I could admit I needed help and I got it, can't you at least consider help for yourself if you cannot rise above this negativity? I am sorry if I add to your bad mood, but if you cannot escape it on your own, you probably do need to see someone. I swallowed some pride so I could better myself, perhaps you can do so? It is not being weak to seek help. If you have depression, it is serious-please get any help you need, for your sake as well as mine."


  Mind you, I have never used a dialogue like that on the people in my life who get me down with their negativity-but I wish I had!  I am still new at being sober myself-and I am actually in a very similar situation to you, I've recently graduated from outpatient rehab, will be seeing a counselor and going to weekly aftercare, and attending AA.  I last had alcohol on New Years Eve, but have felt like drinking since then when certain people around me get negative, angry, and unreasonable.  I am trying to change my own negative attitude, and that is not easy, either-but I must do it or I know I'll be drinking again, probably worse than ever.


  Since you've been through so much, please don't be a martyr and let your husband jeapordize your sobriety.  Yes, you have plenty to keep you busy-but do not let his negativity infect you.  I know negativity and depression seems to be contageous-my friends and I each get that way and the bad feelings spread and grow until somebody finally explodes in anger. One of my friends has been seeing a counselor, the other won't consider it because it appears not to work in the one who does go and is on antidepressants. I can't afford to get caught up in the circle of negativity any more, and I try to let off steam by writing or doing other things when I feel stressed by it. I do feel my own emotions getting messed up by negative ideas, but I try hard not to respond and feed the fire. If my friends insist on being down and angry, I will have to find a way to avoid them or ignore them.  I have a serious disease and I do not want to get depressed myself, because that is one of the reasons I drank. Be sure your activities keep you from picking up his negative attitude.  And do keep your distance.


  I do hope he will either find a way to rise above the depression, or will seek help.  It must hurt you to know he feels bad, but you do have your own concerns, and they are your top priority.  You've spent too much time trying to help yoruself to let his attitude ruin it all. Please pray for him, if nothing else-maybe God will find a solution for him, send some peace of mind.


   I'll pray for you both, that your recovery will go well and your husband will become more upbeat and fun.  I am sure it isn't easy to be in his shoes, but if he does go to Al-anon, maybe he'll understand what you are going through and why he feels down about it.  I just feel some action by him is needed, since you can't change him any more than he could change you. He needs to be responsible for his negativity and accept help if he needs it.


  My best to both of you-and I do understand this problem! It really does sound like what i go through...and my old response was NOT a good one! I hope I'll take my own advice next time it happens, and tell my friends I can't afford their attitudes and would they please tone it down or get help- because I too have tried to change myself and it has been hard. To end up relapsing would certainly add to my own negativity and depression, and start that additcion cycle right up again. 


   Does this help any, or just sound negative? Sorry if it makes it more confusing! But take care of yourself, guess that's my biggest point.



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when i first got into recovery, i was REAL open   REAL honest   REAL humble w/family members.....i kept them updated on my progress.....


and come amends time, i made my amends....told everyone i needed to that i was  getting help for my problems and that  i would have my good days/ bad days,  but as things progressed, i would be a better me.......i only had ONE attacker/ saboteur to my recovery and i  cut him out of my life,  entirely.....my recovery is my #ONE  priority.......


i think the bottom line is   humblness  AND  honesty...TOTAL honesty.......take what works...leave the rest/ rosie



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Hi Michelle,


Congratulations on a month sober. I did just over a year then I picked up a drink and wrecked my car at the beginning of November and since then have had 4 more slips. But keeping it in the day at the moment and not drinking a day at a time. Sorry to hear of the problems you are having with your husband im sorry but i dont really have any advice except to explain to him how you feel and remember you have to do things for yourself unfortunately we are powerless over others I really hope he can change his attitude. I am hoping to go into tratment and will find out about funding on the 31st Jan. As I have 2 very young children i am apprhensive about leaving them but I know I have to do it if I get the opportunity because if I pick up again they could end up without a mother. I wish you all the best in your recovery.



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