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I met with my new sponsee.  She's awesome, and a lot like me - miss know it all - you can't tell me anythin I don't know!  LOL - so now I get to see how annoying it is when you say "I know" to everything your sponsor says.  But, then again... she's grasping for the rope right now, and I remember that like yesterday.  Anything to make myself feel better - including alcohol, bragging, false pride, extra lipstick... anything but what truly was going to count.  Didn't know that of course... she doesn't either. 

So I'm doing great - we meet up - have some coffee, some tears, some laughs.  It's a great visit, and she's gushing like I was in the beginning at how this is the first time she's felt open and honest and has had hope.  I got to tell her I'm just saying what God had laid out for you today.  I remember when my sponsor said that to me, and I was like a month in, and trying to memorize everything cool she said to I could be cool like her too... all humble and spiritual.  I guess I didn't really think I could actually BE those things at that time... I figured I'd have to memorize my lines like I'd be playing the star of a movie some day.

So it hits me today as I'm saying all this cool stuff, that I am truly feelin it, and it's not just a show or an act or something that I do not believe in.  Real humility for the sake of my HP and myself, and not just to "look cool"  LOLOLOLOL.  OH MY goosberries I'm DIFFERENT!!!!????

She hugs me, and all I had to do was totally be myself, and share my experience honestly.  And listen.

And not judge.

I call her later and ask her to come with me to my home group meeting - she says yes.  She's a single mom.  We set her kids up with activities in the kitchen.  Feeling kind of nervous about what people would think, and then an "oh yeah - none of my business" comes flyin in from no where.  Thank you God - we can do this.

The kids do not stay settled, I offer to opt out of the meeting this once so she can stay.  I have a blast making up stories for her super delightful kids nearly my kids age, and then the meeting is over, and they want to stay with me. 

Huh???  They just met me 1 hr ago.

Mom flips a switch - spanks the littlest girl - tells her she'll get a real whoppin when she gets home, and then calls the boy a couple names.  Looks to me and right in front of them tells me they drive her up a wall.  They are listening.  She tells me how they drive her to drink.

 

NOW MIND YOU - I have thought that in my head MANY times.  Have I said it front of my kids while they were listening?  NO  I do make sure they know that I ENJOY taking care of them, even if it's not how I may be feeling at the moment.

So I have been THE farthest thing from perfect as a parent.  You all know that - and that it sure can't be possible for anyone.  But here's the worst thing to admit:  I can't seem to not judge her.  I think it will hurt me inside too much to work with her.  Is that crazy?  I feel so dang sorry for those kids.  It's painful, and I know what they've been through already on top of this. 

How come I don't think God can give me the strength?

My sponsor just repeated this work to me 5 times:  Detach detach etc.

Then she said - you stand in a hula hoop and everything outside of it is none of your business.  I thought that would help if I let it sink in... but it didn't... so here I am... any thoughts would help thanks.

 



-- Edited by justadrunk on Thursday 7th of March 2013 11:35:45 PM

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Pssst, ... you really do have a knack for posting something like this when I'm getting ready to go to bed ... then I must respond or else it keeps me up ...

I'm sure this is not this first time you've seen a parent react to there children this way ... what's worse than this scenario, is when you know a family where the woman keeps having kids just for the federal aid (income) that they're good for (yes, love is all but absent) ... AND yes, when you see this happen, it makes you want to slap the 'sh!T' out of them ... and you cannot help lowering your respect for such a person ... but isn't that what we do with a drunk when we come across them now ??? ... for a minute, we DO judge, why?, because we feel we have our act together, everyone else should too ...

What you saw today is a person who needs 'guidance' from someone like yourself, badly ... and 'hopefully', when she has enough sobriety, she'll also receive the gift and desire to work on her parenting skills ... if fate brings you two together while you're around your children, then she will see the benefits of handling her children in the proper fashion, through observing you ... ...

Depending on where she is in her sobriety, she may still be suffering the effects of withdrawal ... ... ... you know it takes about six months before most of us start getting a good handled on things ... I have not been in this exact position, but I'd say just try and hold your anger down as much as possible and try to see her as a 'work-in-progress' ... it's way to soon to start suggesting methods to her about how to raise her children ... maybe she'll she your example and want to be more like you, when she becomes clear of mind and body ...

Maybe in the future, you can show her that the opportunity to be a parent is a 'blessing' and an 'honor' ... not a chore or a 'pain in the ass' that she makes it out to be ... and of course, you know better than to give any credence to the term, you're 'driving me to drink' ... ... ... that's just a cop-out so one can try and hide from reality ... problem is, is life always finds you ... 



-- Edited by Pythonpappy on Friday 8th of March 2013 12:19:59 AM

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I'm surprised my kids aren't on a fifth a day after all the crap I put them through, so maybe people don't drive people to drink after all.

Just a thought.

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Hey Tasha,
Remember to keep it simple.....as you can. She sounds like a great fit except for the kid thing. Possibly just a moment of honesty: "Listen new sponsee, you and I really click on all levels except I freaked out a bit the other day when you whacked your kids. Anything I can do to help there?" That way you at least give her something to think about. If she opens up, game on. If not and she gets defensive and blows up, it was not to be. Even if it was not to be, you leave her with food for thought.
Tom



-- Edited by turninggrey on Saturday 9th of March 2013 09:48:16 PM

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Yes Tasha,it is 'Detach,with love!   Share your ESH and keep sharing and seeking your Higher Power. WE lead by example and actions are worth a thousand words.Continue to spend time instilling our 3rd and 11th Step in your rising meditations and your Faith will strengthen,WE all falter here....we are human....Faith=being sure of what we hoped for and certain of what we have not seen......Hey and just think at least Rog was able to get some sleep:)smilesmile



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LMAO ... YES I was ... or did, ... ... ... thank you, Mike



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As a mother, I don't think I could continue with this person. No matter how much I told myself to detach, I would picture those kid's faces. I was an active alcoholic until my kids were 10 and 11, and never once did it occur to me that I needed to hit them or speak to them in such a cruel manner. It makes me sad that those kids have had to endure an abusive relationship with their only caretaker..their own mother. After knowing you for one hour they wanted to live with you, I don't blame them. Good luck Tasha, maybe you can find a way to help your sponsee be a better mother.

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I understand your frustrations, Tasha -being a family man myself, but as you've already learned there's more to know about parenting than any of us can learn in a lifetime. So let's stick to the facts as we know them.  She's an alcoholic, right? Okay, good start. Now, about the other incident -the one regarding the children I mean, it may be beyond our control as well. The facts, though alarming, are still sketchy at best. Besides, she may just be the victim of abuse herself, or worse? Maybe, she hasn't seen the light at the end that tunnel just yet; who knows. There is one thing we do know, regrettably; her children are the innocent victims of a real life scenario unfortunate as that may be, but as being alone in that regard, who knows? She may actually feel like a victim herself, but then again that's not for us to decide. There is one thing I am sure of despite my skeptical nature: We should never judge the character of this person or any other before we walk in their shoes. The implications, not to mention the uncertainty, can lead us to a place of lesser resolve; it may actually become a lost journey that never has a happy end, regardless how we feel. So I suggest you start with the basics -recovery 101- and then work on it from there: It's how the miracle unfolds anyway, in the light of someone else's tunnel.

 Let's face it, all of us -parents included- have said or done something we truly regret: It's just part of being human after all. Some of us have become so overwhelmed with responsibility that we lack the time or patience to deal with these issues effectively, including herself. So I suggest you proceed with caution. I would establish a good working dialogue first, and then you can teach her -firsthand- what sober parenting is really all about -through your actions, of course, not your words. She just might learn a thing or two about effective parenting after all, despite the past or her condition. There's no harm in trying, is there?

 If anyone could pull this off, Tasha, it would be you. Just remember, dear: We're recovering alcoholics not experts, and there's no room in the recovery business for an armchair shrink -that's for the professionals to decide, not us. Remember: You can only provide a path, dear -by showing her how recovery works, but that's the extent of our expertise. Where she takes it from there is totally up to her. It's a process, Tasha; a process that may just extend beyond the rooms of recovery, but it must begin with the first step.  So start with what you do know and then work on your relationship from there. It just may hold the key to her sober future after all -one could only hope. I hope this helps.



-- Edited by Mr_David on Saturday 9th of March 2013 03:56:39 AM

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you re her sponor,right??? did you change just by yourself? or did your sposnr and others point out your behavior and help you find out the causes and conditions? or did they just let ya continue with the blame game? idk about you, but if there werent people in my life that pointed out my BS and helped me to see where i was the common denominator in all my problems, id either be a dry drunk or drunk.

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I remember overwhelming a couple that I sponsored. Keep it simple, like Tom said.

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