Thanks, Pappy. Just read this myself. How true. When I was closed off from help, I ran on self-reliance and self-will. Repeating the same behaviors hoping and sometimes expecting different results. They never matrialized. It only got woarse. That's the insanity of this diesase. Doing the same thing over and over expecting things to be different. Once I hit the point of despair and wanted and needed to change, I embraced The Program and sought a HP(God) through the 12 Steps. My life changed. Thus, is the power of The Program- when we truly embrace it.