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Hello everyone, excited to be here. I got out of a self-admitted rehab 2 months ago,  after about 30 yrs of drinking. Have been going to at least 1 meeting a day since then. Have been feeling pretty good, trying to take it easy and learn all that I can. The one main problem that I am dealing with right now is that I am having serious issues dealing with the guilt. The guilt of living the last 30 yrs of my life as a functioning drunk. Like every other alcoholic I have lied, decieved, and been irresponsible as a husband and a father. I have a 19 yr old son, who has turned into a fine young man, and performing very well in college, and I realize now that only God, could have lead him in the right direction. I have  12 and 14 yr old daughters, that I also look at and cannot believe how perfect they are in  my eyes. I have a loving wife that has been my back bone for 23 yrs. I am very grateful for the many wonderful things that God has provided me. I am having difficulties right now dealing with the guilt of the time I have pi**ed away over the past yrs. I know that this takes time, and I also know that it will take time for my family to understand that I am not the man I used to be. Can someone please recommend some reading, litrature, or any thing else that provide me with some comfort. Thanks to everyone, love this site after just a few visits!!!       



-- Edited by joby on Monday 19th of November 2012 08:45:42 PM

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Welcome Joby, glad you found us. As been said the solution for what we suffer from is in our program of AA. We all show up with stuff we would rather not remember and that we tremble to think it was us who did what we did. It takes time and getting in the middle of AA and staying there. Which means steps, fellowship, and service, or if you like trust God clean house and help others. I found this grapevine which is AA magizine, written by Bill Wilson which is one of our founders talking about acceptance and the AA program. hope it helps.

 

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What Is Acceptance?
By Bill W.
-- AA Grapevine - March 1962 --

One way to get at the meaning of the principle of acceptance is to meditate upon it in the context of AA's much used prayer, "God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference."

Essentially this is to ask for the resources of grace by which we may make spiritual progress under all conditions. Greatly emphasized in this wonderful prayer is a need for the kind of wisdom that discriminates between the possible and the impossible. We shall also see that life's formidable array of pains and problems will require many different degrees of acceptance as we try to apply this valued principle.

Sometimes we have to find the right kind of acceptance for each day. Sometimes we need to develop acceptance for what may come to pass tomorrow, and yet again we shall have to accept a condition that may never change. Then, too, there frequently has to be a right and realistic acceptance of grievous flaws within ourselves and serious faults within those about us - defects that may not be fully remedied for years, if ever.

All of us will encounter failures, some retrievable and some not. We shall often meet with defeat - sometimes by accident, sometimes self-inflicted, and at still other times dealt to us by the injustice and violence of other people. Most of us will meet up with some degree of worldly success, and here the problem of the right kind of acceptance will be really difficult. Then there will be illness and death. How indeed shall we be able to accept all these?

It is always worthwhile to consider how grossly that good word acceptance can be misused. It can be warped to justify nearly every brand of weakness, nonsense, and folly. For instance, we can "accept" failure as a chronic condition, forever without profit or remedy. We can "accept" worldly success pridefully, as something wholly of our own making. We can also "accept" illness and death as certain evidence of a hostile and godless universe. With these twistings of acceptance, we AAs have had vast experience. Hence we constantly try to remind ourselves that these perversions of acceptance are just gimmicks for excuse-making: a losing game at which we are, or at least have been, the world's champions.

This is why we treasure our Serenity Prayer so much. It brings a new light to us that can dissipate our old-time and nearly fatal habit of fooling ourselves. In the radiance of this prayer we see that defeat, rightly accepted, need be no disaster. We now know that we do not have to run away, nor ought we again try to overcome adversity by still another bulldozing power drive that can only push up obstacles before us faster than they can be taken down.

On entering AA, we become the beneficiaries of a very different experience. Our new way of staying sober is literally founded upon the proposition that "Of ourselves, we are nothing, the Father doeth the works." In Steps One and Two of our recovery program, these ideas are specifically spelled out: "We admitted we were powerless over alcohol that our lives had become unmanageable" - "Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity." We couldn't lick alcohol with our own remaining resources and so we accepted the further fact that dependence upon a higher power (if only our AA group) could do this hitherto impossible job. The moment we were able to fully accept these facts, our release from the alcohol compulsion had begun. For most of us this pair of acceptances had required a lot of exertion to achieve. Our whole treasured philosophy of self-sufficiency had to be cast aside. This had not been done with old-fashioned willpower; it was instead a matter of developing the willingness to accept these new facts of living. We neither ran nor fought. But accept we did. And then we were free. There had been no irretrievable disaster.

This kind of acceptance and faith is capable of producing 100 percent sobriety. In fact it usually does; and it must, else we could have no life at all. But the moment we carry these attitudes into our emotional problems, we find that only relative results are possible. Nobody can, for example, become completely free from fear, anger, and pride. Hence in this life we shall attain nothing like perfect humility and love. So we shall have to settle, respecting most of our problems, for a very gradual progress, punctuated sometimes by heavy setbacks. Our old-time attitudes of "all or nothing" will have to be abandoned.

Therefore our very first problem is to accept our present circumstances as they are, ourselves as we are, and the people about us as they are. This is to adopt a realistic humility without which no genuine advance can even begin. Again and again, we shall need to return to that unflattering point of departure. This is an exercise in acceptance that we can profitably practice every day of our lives. Provided we strenuously avoid turning these realistic surveys of the facts of life into unrealistic alibis for apathy or defeatism, they can be the sure foundation upon which increased emotional health and therefore spiritual progress can be built. At least this seems to be my own experience.

Another exercise that I practice is to try for a full inventory of my blessings and then for a right acceptance of the many gifts that are mine - both temporal and spiritual. Here I try to achieve a state of joyful gratitude. When such a brand of gratitude is repeatedly affirmed and pondered, it can finally displace the natural tendency to congratulate myself on whatever progress I may have been enabled to make in some areas of living. I try hard to hold fast to the truth that a full and thankful heart cannot entertain great conceits. When brimming with gratitude, one's heartbeat must surely result in outgoing love, the finest emotion that we can ever know.

In times of very rough going, the grateful acceptance of my blessings, oft repeated, can also bring me some of the serenity of which our prayer speaks. Whenever I fall under acute pressures I lengthen my daily walks and slowly repeat our Serenity Prayer in rhythm to my steps and breathing. If I feel that my pain has in part been occasioned by others, I try to repeat, "God grant me the serenity to love their best, and never fear their worst." This benign healing process of repetition, sometimes necessary to persist with for days, has seldom failed to restore me to at least a workable emotional balance and perspective.

Another helpful step is to steadfastly affirm the understanding that pain can bring. Indeed pain is one of our greatest teachers. Though I still find it difficult to accept today's pain and anxiety with any great degree of serenity - as those more advanced in the spiritual life seem able to do - I can, if I try hard, give thanks for present pain nevertheless. I find the willingness to do this by contemplating the lessons learned from past suffering - lessons which have led to the blessings I now enjoy. I can remember, if I insist, how the agonies of alcoholism, the pain of rebellion and thwarted pride, have often led me to God's grace, and so to a new freedom. So, as I walk along, I repeat still other phrases such as these, "Pain is the touchstone of progress" . . . "Fear no evil". . . "This, too, will pass" . . . "This experience can be turned to benefit."

These fragments of prayer bring far more than mere comfort. They keep me on the track of right acceptance; they break up my compulsive themes of guilt, depression, rebellion, and pride; and sometimes they endow me with the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.

To those who never have given these potent exercises in acceptance a real workout, I recommend them highly the next time the heat is on. Or, for that matter, at any time!



-- Edited by billyjack on Monday 19th of November 2012 10:59:46 PM

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Hello Joby and welcome to the board. Stick around and help us to stay sober.

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I recommend reading the big book a couple times, doing the steps with a sponsor and the 12 and 12. Aside from that, you will just be diluting your primary purpose which is to stay sober. It took you hitting a bottom to change. You don't want to erase that bottom. That 30 years is what it took for you to live sober today and hopefully for days to come.

The big book states:

"We are going to know a new freedom and a new happiness. We will not regret the past nor wish to shut the door on it."

If you continue working the program and do the steps, you will get to this point. It is one of the promises. Naturally, by the time you hit step 9, you wll have made amends as best as possible and you will be free from the bondage of self. The answer is in the steps.

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Welcome Joby glad you found us,,,,,Continue doing the work,listen for a sponsor and seek out the solution the application of the Steps in all areas of your life, worked with s sponsor .Thanks for the wonderful message of Hope..........smilesmile



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Aloha Joby and welcome to the board...certainly there is great reading in the program...there should be a literature person at each and every meeting you go to who has the material...If you haven't yet...get them aside and ask them to see their wares.    My early sponsor gave me the definition for humility which I have continued to carry with me tho he is passed on.  "Being teachable" is what he gave me and that includes the literature for sure and also sitting down...all the way down...into my meetings and to open up my mind and listen deeply.  Get all the crap...non-working thoughts and feelings out of the way and let the fellowship input and then get in the habit of practicing what the winners practice.  Be careful about falling into shame and guilt to quickly.  For me those were much better handled after I had recovery time under my belt because they were soooo toxic to me.  Let your wife and family get to know the return of the person you use to be and enjoy bringing that man back into your life also.  You have time...1 day at a...focus on your recovery leading to sobriety and follow the suggestions.

Keep coming back   (((hugs))) smile



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G'Day Joby , welcome .

Unless you are a judge , why don't you put the whip away .

I found "You Can HEAL Your Life"-Louise L Hay . Very helpful for me .

Yes the Big Book & 12X12 are Great . I found sometimes I Needed some

outside agency to assist me a bit more . Louise has a tape/cd called -

Creating Your Health - I found this Very beneficial for th guilt I carried.

I Hope this is of help .



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Welcome Joby...



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Welcom Joby.

There is no substitute for the spiritual experience achieved through taking the steps. Do the work and your life will be changed for ever. You will recover and be given the power to help others. PC mentioned the 9th step promises, but there are more. These are the 10th step promises.

"And we have ceased fighting anything or anyone - even alcohol. For by this time sanity will have returned. We will seldom be interested in liquor. If tempted, we recoil from it as from a hot flame. We react sanely and normally, and we will find that this has happened automatically. We will see that our new attitude toward liquor has been given us without any thought or effort on our part. It just comes! That is the miracle of it. We are not fighting it, neither are we avoiding temptation. We feel as though we had been placed in a position of neutrality - safe and protected. We have not even sworn off. Instead, the problem has been removed. It does not exist for us. We are neither cocky nor are we afraid. That is our experience. That is how we react so long as we keep in fit spiritual condition."

Sorry but the comfort comes after the work is done, not before. The ism (internal spiritual malady) must be treated first.

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Welcome Joby, ... Glad you found us ...

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Welcome Joby.

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Welcome Joby - and THANK YOU BILLYJACK for the insert from the grapevine! I have never read that!

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Welcome Joby...baby steps from where you are, one day at a time, one page at a time...follow the steps and it will all work itself out!

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Welcome Joby!  Gald to have you here with us.  smile



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Joby welcome to the world of sobriety. In your post you mention guilt,but youalso mention a loving wife and two beautiful daughters. Guilt to me is only bad when it turns to self-pity (Poor me Poor me Pour me another one) In my experience I have to learn to practice the opposite of the character defects that left to my own devices will kill if I keep feeding (thinking about them a lot) them. Guilt was what I used when I was drinking to justify my "never good enough for anybody or anything atittude" In sobriety I started with my sponsors help practicing gratitude. For me everthing in my life took me to where I am today because of two things willingness or unwillingness. Feeling bad about what I've done is one thing allowing to take me out and practice my disease again is another thing. Hang out with the winners.



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Welcome to the board, and to sobriety. Guilt & shame were constant companions of mine for many years. As others on here have stated, working the steps with a sponsor who has done them, going to meetings, and getting involved in AA are what ultimately have helped me release most of those feelings. I don't know that mine will ever fully go away, but today I recognize them for what they are and release them. Right now everything is so " in your face" intense. You are actually feeling your feelings rather than numbing them. For me that was ( and at times still can be) overwhelming. I used to get so frustrated when someone would tell me the answers were in the book. The big book, as it is referred to, of AA. They were right. As I've gone through the book with a sponsor, I have found the answers to my questions, and so, so much more than I could have ever hoped for. At first I had to stick to AA literature, I was so scattered and easily lost focus. I read in your post that your rehab was self imposed and you are going to meetings daily, and that's great. You don't mention if you have a sponsor or are working the steps. For me, that is where the real work began, and when the promises started coming true in my life. Thanks for stopping by. Peace

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Welcome Joby.

Lot of good things mentioned.

The only shame in having a problem is doing nothing about it, fear nothing but going backwards.



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I had to learn how to displace--and eventually replace--guilt and shame with humility and gratitude. The 3rd step enabled me to make a beginning, since I got to shift much of the heavy lifting to "the care of".  Not to the control of, but to the care of...big difference. The steps, taken in order, seem to just work some kind of magic on one's ability to attain self-forgiveness, which for me was the key to moving on in a healthier, happier way.   



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