I remember my early days here. ( in AA ) I didn't do the fourth cause I was afraid of the fifth and I got loaded on Lora tabs aka Vicodin, then preceded to drink to oblivion. That led to one of the biggest spiritual awakenings I've had to that point, as the nye county sheriff was kicking me to on the front porch handing me a restraining order my wife had obtained. In the driveway was a tow truck hooking up the company truck I was out drinking in all night. There I was jobless and homeless all in one shot. i was just short of having eight months. as I was kicking stones walking down the road to the first step club. I had nowhere else to go, still don't really. I remembered an old timer say if you stuck on steps.4.&.5 call some one and tell them what you think is the worst thing about your self and the rest will be easy. Well I did and he was right.
When you do your fifth, start off with the worst secret you have and you'll be amazed how wonderful the rest of your experience will be. I don't even know you and I'm excited for you. Man I have come a long way. Was a time I wouldn't have givin a rats ass what you or any body for that matter was doing or going through. Through AA and other spiritual paths God has connected me to the universe and I am no longer alone. I wish the same for you.
-- Edited by billyjack on Saturday 25th of August 2012 08:24:48 PM
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Since it cost a lot to win, and even more to loose, you and me gotta spend some time just wondering what to choose.
About 6 years ago I had the opportunity to do this step with my new sponsor, Matt. And what a liberating feeling it was. He said: "Unless we discuss our defects with another human being, we do not acquire enough humility, fearlessness, and honesty to really get this simple program. How true.
Unfortunately, I had a major hurdle to overcome before I was able to do this step. And at the center of this controversy was this giant sized ego I called, defense mechanism #1. It was my way of concealing all the shame I once hid for years, but that was then. So this step became my introduction into ego deflation 101, and rightfully so. It was a huge slice of humble pie 20 years in the making.
I finally felt this sense of relief as I spilled my guts out about everything. And to a complete stranger nonetheless. There was so much on my plate he didn't know, and so many secrets still left unresolved. A bitter reminder of days long gone. These unresolved conflicts left lasting impressions on my life for years. A huge burden overshadowing my need to be forgiven. It was also the first to go. After that came the resentments, and anything in between. Basically, what poured out from there could only be described as 'mind blowing', for sure. If you had to gauge it on a scale of 1 to 10, it would be an 11. My sponsor hasn't been the same, since.
The reason why it took so long was simple, actually. I was stuck on principles, or so I thought. Actually, it was more like pride. Anything that went against my better nature was not worth mentioning. Especially, if I had to explain my actions to another alcoholic. I'd rather confess my faults to a wandering wildebeest than confide in anyone else. So my tale of woe continued. That was until my sponsor suggested it to me. Then, I had to put all doubts aside and do the step. And When I did, something amazing happened. I experienced this wonderful sense of relief. It felt like the weight of hundred monkeys being lifted off my shoulders. That's when I knew a miracle had taken place. And so can you.
The key to step 5 has always been humility; A certain willingness to let go and let God. Those emotions that seemed to obstruct our view of the sublime will dissipate, once our defects our exposed. Bill W. makes mention of this many times in the 12 &12, and with good reason. It's so profound, actually, that it's worth mentioning. So, here goes: "And when humility and serenity are so combined, something else of great moment is apt to occur. Many an A.A., once agnostic or atheistic, tells us that it was during this stage of Step Five that he first actually felt the presence of God. And even those who had faith already often become conscious of God as they never were before. This feeling of being at one with God and man, this emerging from isolation through the open and honest sharing of our terrible burden of guilt, brings us to a resting place where we may prepare ourselves for the following Steps toward a full and meaningful sobriety". How beautiful is that?
This was my turning point, and one I need to experience all along. It became a springboard to a more purpose filled existence, for over 11+ years now -thanks be to God. So, here's my suggestion. Do it and be done. And be transformed, like others have. Never doubting, never wavering. And done to the best of our ability. That, my friend, is how we "came to believe".
~God bless~
-- Edited by Mr_David on Monday 27th of August 2012 02:10:57 AM
This is perhaps difficult, especially discussing our defects with another person. We think we have done well enough in admitting these things to ourselves. There is doubt about that. In actual practice, we usually find a solitary self-appraisal insufficient.
I read this. Tommorrow I do my 5th step. I'm so reluctant to rehash old stuff. Especially out loud. I think I can I think I can.
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In the end, everything will be alright. If it is not alright, it is not the end... Paulo coelho (also marigold hotel)
It's awesome.....A little pray before works wonders....Enjoy it!...Here is what you have to look forward to.....
We pocket our pride and go to it, illuminating every twist of character, every dark cranny of the past. Once we have taken this step, withholding nothing, we are delighted. We can look the world in the eye. We can be alone at perfect peace and ease. Our fears fall from us. We begin to feel the nearness of our Creator. We may have had certain spiritual beliefs, but now we begin to have a spiritual experience. The feeling that the drink problem has disappeared will often come strongly. We feel we are on the Broad Highway, walking hand in hand with the Spirit of the Universe.
By the time I was 3 years sober, my reprieve had run out, because I was still holding on to my grosser handicaps. God knew my predicament and sent my sponsor to me, who took me through my 5th step. There is a promise on pg 75, which did materialize after I finished with my sponsor. I thank God for that, because I would have lived a very unfruitful sober life or even got drunk again.
-- Edited by gonee on Sunday 26th of August 2012 03:39:23 AM
Step, that is the one thing I'm banking on while doing this step. That I can finally lift my head or sleep at night.
Billy, thanks for your esh and I'll be damned sure to start with my worst secret. What did you mean when you said you "still don't" like? Still without a home? Or job?
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In the end, everything will be alright. If it is not alright, it is not the end... Paulo coelho (also marigold hotel)
I live in a nice older rented house in carson city nv, at the bottom of the mountains that lead to tahoe and i have a job ( working well below my self apointed station in life ) installing satilite tv, i love my job i love my job i love my job........ What i meant was i was jobless and homeless and i was on my way to the AA club, there was no where else to go. That was the bus stop to get on the bus with the rest of the clowns where Gods at the wheel. I still find times where i want to drive and find out I have no where else to go and I am content just being another bozzo on the bus.
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Since it cost a lot to win, and even more to loose, you and me gotta spend some time just wondering what to choose.
It's essential to recovery to share all of ourselves with another human being. it is also essential for the sponsor to gie feedback. It says in the BB in the directions for step 5 very clearly a number of times that we "discuss" these things.
We are as honest with ourselves as we can be. But we can only go so deep at this phase. We need a sponsor who can start showing us a little more and tell us what they see. This will be a great beginning for step 10 as we continue taking inventory of ourselves and continue growing.
So, i haven't died as a result of these steps... Yet. Actually, after taking some advice and starting with the worst, she gave me a hug and then was like... Oh sweetheart, that's your worst?... And I kind of felt ridiculous and relieved at the same time. Everything was smooth sailing up until an hour later and then my brain started in "I wonder who she'll tell? What if this? What if that? What if the world turns inside out?"
I'm gonna go find a good guided meditation sound track.
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In the end, everything will be alright. If it is not alright, it is not the end... Paulo coelho (also marigold hotel)
Sometimes sh!t happens ... but you can't plan your future on what 'might' happen ... You did good ... Let it go at that! ... If something ever comes up, which isn't likely, deal with it then!!!
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'Those who leave everything in God's hand will eventually see God's hand in everything.'
I'm pretty ok with stuff now. I don't know aboutcwalking on air but I feel like it definitely wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. And I'm definitely more willing to hang out with people after the meeting instead of just running off.
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In the end, everything will be alright. If it is not alright, it is not the end... Paulo coelho (also marigold hotel)
Did you do what the big book says to do at the end of the fifth step. To go home and be quiet for an hour and review the first five proposals? If not, it is an important part of the deal. Just sayin.
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Since it cost a lot to win, and even more to loose, you and me gotta spend some time just wondering what to choose.
Congrats Neo!! Completing the 5 th step is something I am personally looking forward to.. What a relief you must feel. I imagine it feels like being liberated from being mired in the muck. Great job:)
Jack- I did my 5th, posted here and meditated. And I was "expecting" (I know I know, big no no) a huge relief. I'm just kinda like "now what?" but maybe gods holding my "utter relief" until I do a few more steps. I could definitely see myself getting this "big relief" and walking away thinking I was "all cured". So I guess my hp is like "don't quit before the miracle happens". But I'm gonna give it a few days to test out how I am before 5 and now after 5.
Does anyone else think it's weird that in a court of law we "plead the 5th" to keep our mouths shut and do the opposite here? Haha just the irony is all :)
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In the end, everything will be alright. If it is not alright, it is not the end... Paulo coelho (also marigold hotel)
Oddly enough, I have a couple of sponsees I continue to work with from this forum ... over the internet thru emails ... and they do not routinely post here ... ??? ... Anyway, I thought it odd you should mention 'God' and the 'big relief' ... ... ...
One of my sponsees is a nurse and recently applied for a job in a town 70mi away ... she expressed extreme dismay at not getting the job ... I said it's soon for you, maybe something better will come along ... We can not 'second guess' God's ways ... Be patient I told her ... a couple of weeks ago, she interviewed for a position in her town and last week got confirmation of being hired ... AND guess what, it was at a pay rate far higher than she would have had ... Coincidence ??? ...
The promises come to us sometimes quickly, and sometimes slowly ... just keep doing the next right thing and it will come ... and usually NOT on your time table nor your expectations ...
Love Ya, Pappy
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