Hey Colleen, ... ... ... Consider the following excuse chart!!!
HANDY LITTLE CHART - GOD HAS A POSITIVE ANSWER:
YOU SAY
GOD SAYS
BIBLE VERSES
You say: ' It ' s impossible '
God says: All things are possible
( Luke 18:27)
You say: ' I ' m too tired '
God says: I will give you rest
( Matthew 11:28-30)
You say: ' Nobody really loves me '
God says: I love you
( John 3:16 & John 3:34 )
You say: ' I can ' t go on '
God says: My grace is sufficient
(II Corinthians 12:9 & Psalm 91:15)
You say:' I can ' t figure things out '
God says: I will direct your steps
(Proverbs 3:5- 6)
You say: ' I can ' t do it '
God says: You can do all things
( Philippians 4:13)
You say: ' I ' m not able '
God says: I am able
(II Corinthians 9:8)
You say: 'It ' s not worth it '
God says: It will be worth it
(Roman 8:28 )
You say: ' I can ' t forgive myself '
God says: I Forgive you
(I John 1:9 & Romans 8:1)
You say: ' I can ' t manage '
God says: I will supply all your needs
( Philippians 4:19)
You say: ' I ' m afraid '
God says: I have not given you a spirit of fear
( II Timothy 1:7)
You say: ' I ' m always worried and frustrated '
God says: Cast all your cares on ME
(I Peter 5:7)
You say: ' I ' m not smart enough '
God says: I give you wisdom
(I Corinthians 1:30)
You say: ' I feel all alone '
God says: I will never leave you or forsake you
(Hebrews 13:5)
The first sentence is pretty powerful!
God determines who walks into your life.....it ' s up to you to decide who you let walk away, who you let stay, and who you refuse to let go. '
Father, God, bless all my friends in whatever it is that you know they may need this day! And may their lives be full of your peace, prosperity and power as they seek to have a closer relationship with you. Amen.
Love Ya and God Bless,
Pappy
-- Edited by Pythonpappy on Thursday 9th of August 2012 02:16:35 PM
-- Edited by Pythonpappy on Thursday 9th of August 2012 02:17:19 PM
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Hey all:) I haven't really spoken to my Mother since being sober. This isn't a conscious choice, per se, more an outcome of my own wacky work schedule. Of course, there have been many opportunities to call, she has left me numerous messages.. I've left many in return. I'll call her when I'm at work, to ensure that I can say " hey mom- I'm at work so I can't really talk- just didn't want you to worry. No, I'm not drinking again". To be honest, I don't have much to say to her. Well, I have plenty to say, just the things that "shouldn't" be said. Like " hey mom, why did you ALLOW dad to beat the crap out of all of us, psychologically torment, and emotionally terrorize us..and sit there watching, and in some instances laughing at us as you witnessed all of our spirits die?" or " mom, I'm just curious why, after i let you know that dad had been abusing me sexually since I was too young to remember, you kicked him out for only a few months, then told me it wasn't fair that I'd want to make my brothers grow up poor- so I have to tell the social workers I want my dad to move back in. And that I don't want to pursue criminal action against him?" " hi mom, why, went I ran away to live in NYC when I was 13, cuz I got fed up with being raped by my father, you signed over custody of me to the state, and told the social workers you wanted nothing to do with me via a note taped to the front door of our house?" OH..and by the way, my social worker was so shocked, he gave me the aforementioned note, and I still have it" Instead, we talk about my job, and her garden. I'm not posting this to be all "poor me".. These are simply facts of my life, and I have little emotion in connection to these things. They just happened. I'm oddly detached from it, always have been. THATS the problem, I suppose. My mother was never a drinker, she wasn't a drug addict. She was just so wrapped up in being a perfect upper middle class suburban dream that she "overlooked" things- yknow, things like your husband lining up your children every night to take turns beating them in front of each other for minor infractions during the day. I simply don't like the woman, I think she's cruel and twisted, I think she's bullshit, shallow, empty and I have no respect for her. Now that I'm sober, I can't stomach playing her "happy family" game. I know that there is no such things as a "legitimate resentment". She took up PAGES on my step 4 journal haha. I dunno, I pray God helps me with this relationship. It is time to deal with this and move on.
Sounds like it's time for some Step work. Hopefully you have a sponsor and a support group to work with? Forgivness is the key to happiness. Resentment can and will, kill us.
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Willingness without action is fantasy!
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
No matter what horrors we survived in our lives, carrying a resentment only harms us. The 12 steps helped me deal with the physical abuse I had to deal with growing up. I learned to forgive, but have a hard time forgetting. Outside professional therapy can help also. In the end I just have to move on, and the best cure when I'm in my own crap is to help someone else.
Traditionally the work of the heart begins with forgiveness. Forgiveness is the necessary ground for any healing. To begin with, we need a wise understanding of forgiveness. Then we can learn how it is practiced, how we may forgive both ourselves and others.
Forgiveness is a letting go of past suffering and betrayal, a release of the burden of pain and hate that we carry. Forgiveness honors the hearts greatest dignity. Whenever we are lost, it brings us back to the ground of love. With forgiveness we become unwilling to attack or wish harm to another. Whenever we forgive, in small ways at home, or in great ways between nations, we free ourselves from the past.
It is hard to imagine a world without forgiveness. Without forgiveness life would be unbearable. Without forgiveness our lives are chained, forced to carry the sufferings of the past and repeat them with no release.
Consider the dialogue between two former prisoners of war:
Have you forgiven your captors yet?
No, never!
Well, then, they still have you in prison, dont they?
We begin the work of forgiveness primarily for ourselves. We may still be suffering terribly from the past while those who betrayed us are on vacation. It is painful to hate. Without forgiveness we continue to perpetuate the illusion that hate can heal our pain and the pain of others. In forgiveness we let go and find relief in our heart.
Even those in the worst situations, the conflicts and tragedies of Bosnia, Cambodia, Rwanda, NorthernIreland, or South Africa, have had to find a path to reconciliation. This is true in America as well. It is the only way to heal.
Sometimes this means finding the courage to forgive the unforgivable, to consciously release the heart from the clutches of anothers terrible acts.
We must discover a way to move on from the past, no matter what traumas it held. The past is over: forgiveness means giving up all hope of a better past.
Remember these truths:
Forgiveness is not weak or naive. Forgiveness requires courage and clarity; it is not naive. Mistakenly people believe that to forgive is to simply forgive and forget, once and for all. This is not the wisdom of forgiveness.
Forgiveness does not happen quickly. For great injustice, coming to forgiveness may include a long process of grief, outrage, sadness, loss, and pain. True forgiveness does not paper over what has happened in a superficial way. It is not a misguided effort to suppress or ignore our pain. It cannot be hurried. It is a deep process, repeated over and over in our heart, that honors the grief and betrayal, and in its own time ripens into the freedom to truly forgive.
Forgiveness does not forget, nor does it condone the past. Forgiveness sees wisely. It willingly acknowledges what is unjust, harmful, and wrong. It bravely recognizes the sufferings of the past, and understands the conditions that brought them about. There is a strength to forgiveness. When we forgive, we can also say, Never again will I allow these things to happen. We may resolve to never again permit such harm to come to ourselves or another.
Forgiveness does not mean that we have to continue to relate to those who have done us harm. In some cases the best practice may be to end our connection, to never speak to or be with a harmful person again. Sometimes in the process of forgiveness a person who hurt or betrayed us may wish to make amends, but even this does not require us to put ourselves in the way of further harm. In the end, forgiveness simply means never putting another person out of our heart.
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'Those who leave everything in God's hand will eventually see God's hand in everything.'
Colleen, I want to share a statement that was shared with me that absolutely changed my life and level of serenity.
"Forgiveness does not equal access."
Forgiving someone does not mean that we have to allow the perpetrator the kind of access to our lives in which they will assuredly injure us again and require our forgiveness again. The scriptures I have read invariably describe confession as a part of the whole forgiveness formula but your mother does not even own up to the fact that she has wronged you so grievously. The level of selfishness and denial you describe is shocking.
It is true that all you can rightfully focus on in this program is the correction of defects you developed as a result of all you had to endure. Only God can remove them. But nowhere in the Big Book does it say we have to remain in dysfunctional relationships. Pray for a kindly and tolerant view of each one? Yes. Spend holidays with mom and give dad access to the grandkids? Heck no.
Keep working on you. Ask God to show you how to deal with her. And, day by day, he will lead you in the right direction, which may or may not be out of her life altogether.
What great power we wield when we bear the title "mother." I don't ever want to forget that.
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"And we have ceased fighting anything or anyone-even alcohol. For by this time sanity will have returned."
Alcoholics Anonymous, Page 84
An addict is WHAT I am but it does not define all of WHO I am.
I did a lot of praying on that fourth step....It was the only way I could get through it....You're in my prayers Col...Keep moving forward.....And some awesome stuff posted in this thread. Awesome.
I was in the same position as you. I had a DEEP resentment for my father for allowing me to be molested. I kept telling myself that I had the right to want to keep away from him. But, as it's been stated before, resentments can and will kill us. You need keep fourth stepping it, I know it seems tedious, my father has pages upon pagessssss. But after nine months of sober dwelling on it, God gave me the strength to accept the past and try to have a better future. Today I'm happy to say I've found a way to accept and love him again. You will be in my prayers and I know God will guide the way into serenity.
Hey Col, if I remember right your new to AA. Stick to the middle of AA and do the steps. Nothing good can happen for us if we pick up. That being said, AA is not designed for all our afflictions. I been around 13 years and been hitting a wall for a few years. with the help of another long time member of AA I see some other things that I knew kinda intellectually, but know I can see it very clear. There are other people on this site who know what I'm gonna talking about. Look up John Bradshaw and Alice miller. I have been starting work looking at my life from the angle they are comming from. They both are authors and have web sites you can explore. I have also added some eckhard tolle into the mix. You might be surprised what you find. But if your a real alcoholic, non of it is a replacement for AA and the steps, Hope this helps.
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Since it cost a lot to win, and even more to loose, you and me gotta spend some time just wondering what to choose.
I thought someone killing themselves in front of me was the worst, but it was a one time deal, that I didn't deal with for 10 yrs. Your story is very tangled. I do know that I thought I would never be able to forgive in my situation, but I was wrong.
I'm so honored to read your post, knowing you felt comfortable enough to share that with us. Thanks Col, for helping me stay sober today!
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Thanks for everything. Peace and Love on your journey.
Hang in there i hope you have a sponsor to guide oyu through this fourth step it sounds like it will be crucial for you.
BBpg 417 "The key to my serenity is acceptance. But "acceptance" does not mean that I have to like it, condone it, or even ignore it. What it does mean is I am powerless to do anything about it... and I have to accept that fact."
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Obsession with self in these matters is a dead end; attention to God leads us out into the open, into a spacious, free life. Romans 8:6 , The Message
Forgive her, recognize her for the narcissistic twisted wench she be, kick her to the curb, and don't look back. That's my 2-cents worth, having been there-done that. Forgiveness frees us--and as a result we don't have to revisit abusers on any level, physically or emotionally. For me, therapy specifically for post trauma stress injury, with a specialized therapist who was also knowledgeable about addiction, was absolutely crucial for me to move on.
Thank you all so much for your advice and prayers... Today's been a tough one for me. I saw my therapist, usually I'm fumbling for things to talk about- today i opened my mouth about my mother, and talked nonstop for about 40 minutes. Just trying to make sense of it, really. It took my therapist a second to respond when I had finished. She says " you know, you don't have to have her in your life. You don't have to try to understand or see things from her end. It doesn't make you a bad person. You need to forgive yourself for not wanting her in your life before you can forgive her" . True and WHEW what a relief to hear somebody say these words. My sponser agrees that my instincts to not want to speak with her at this point in time are legitimate. I never really thought of her as abusive, what with my dad being the more obvious one.. But she kinda is, in a way. So funny I never really thought of it like that.. Lol I just thought she was a bitch haha. Thanks again for listening and the feedback
I'm glad you got that out, Colleen. It's instances like these that cause us all to drink. I just hope you find a way to forgive yourself because you know it wasn't your fault. The best medicine for an aching heart is to love, unconditionally. And this is where it begins. You are loved dear, and everyone here at "MIP" just wanted you to know that. Thanks again for that story Colleen, it helps us all heal.