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Our common welfare should come first; personal recovery depends upon A.A. unity." Editorial by Bill W. A.A. Grapevine, December, 1947 "Each member of Alcoholics Anonymous is but a small part of a great whole. A.A. must continue to live or most of us will surely die. Hence our common welfare comes first. But individual welfare follows close afterward." Our whole A.A. program is securely founded on the principle of humility--that is to say, perspective. Which implies, among other things, that we relate ourselves rightly to God and to our fellows; that we each see ourselves as we really are--"a small part of a great whole." Seeing our fellows thus, we shall enjoy group harmony. That is why A.A. Tradition can confidently state, "Our common welfare comes first." "Does this mean," some will ask, "that in A.A. the individual doesn't count too much? Is he to be swallowed up, dominated by the group?" No, it doesn't seem to work out that way. Perhaps there is no society on earth more solicitous of personal welfare, more careful to grant the individual the greatest possible liberty of belief and action. Alcoholics Anonymous has no "musts." Few A.A. groups impose penalties on anyone for non-conformity. We do suggest, but we don't discipline. Instead, compliance or non-compliance with any principle of A.A. is a matter for the conscience of the individual; he is the judge of his own conduct. Those words of old time, "Judge not," we observe most literally. "But," some will argue, "if A.A. has no authority to govern its individual members or groups, how shall it ever be sure that the common welfare does come first? How is it possible to be governed without a government? If everyone can do as he pleases, how can you have aught but anarchy?" The answer seems to be that we A.A.s cannot really do as we please, though there is no constituted human authority to restrain us. Actually, our common welfare is protected by powerful safeguards. The moment any action seriously threatens the common welfare, group opinion mobilizes to remind us; our conscience begins to complain. If one persists, he may become so disturbed as to get drunk; alcohol gives him a beating. Group opinion shows him that he is off the beam, his own conscience tells him that he is dead wrong, and, if he goes too far, Barleycorn brings him real conviction. So it is we learn that in matters deeply affecting the group as a whole, "our common welfare comes first." Rebellion ceases and cooperation begins because it must; we have disciplined ourselves. Eventually, of course, we cooperate because we really wish to; we see that without substantial unity there can be no A.A., and that without A.A. there can be little lasting recovery for anyone. We gladly set aside personal ambitions whenever these might harm A.A. We humbly confess that we are but "a small part of a great whole." Bill W. The A.A. Grapevine, December, 1947

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I felt like using tonight. So I started reading the traditions from my 12&12 and found the above article. I personally don't like bill w., but his principals are of great benefit. I belong here. And if your reading through this site... So do you.

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Those principles aren't Bill W's principles...They were taken from the Oxford Group and they got them from another book....Those principles have been around a long time....And they are a great set of rules to live by.

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Hello Neophyte,Im glad you didnt pick up tonight!!.Yes the spiritual principles came from way back(frank buchman,the oxford group,original 6 steps,father dowling much history on the origins)And  yes there are many 'MUSTS' IN THE BB PROBABlY OVER A HUNDRED AND SOME INPLIED MUSTS,IF WE READ CLOSELY etc and Bill W,Dr. Bob ,EBBY etc have some very interesting history TO SAY THE LEAST and they were only human,not to be diefied, but that aside the spiritual principles applied in the attitudes and behaviors of our lives ,guided by the God of our own understanding(Higher Power)our fit spiritual condition,keeps us recovered in that daily reprieve.Our only requirement for our member ship is in our third tradition.Our ability to grow comes from our participation in our own recoveries and giving back through service,meetings,sponsorship and carrying our message of hope and freedom to the still sick and suffering.Those that find sponsorship important get the most from our program.WE have a program for those who want and need it.Probably wouldn't join a swimming team and never go in the water,similar to how we work our program.(my own analogy)..Good job not using tonight and reaching out to others.Each day we are given is another opportunity to get free of the monster.We take what we can use,save the rest for maybe another time..This is a journey and More Is Always Revealed!Glad your taking the journey of 'LIFE',WE know where the downbound train leads us..In support and prayer!!smile



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Thanks Neo.

Glad you are doing OK

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Great stuff Neophyte. Keep them coming.



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"Those principles aren't Bill W's principles...They were taken from the Oxford Group and they got them from another book....Those principles have been around a long time....And they are a great set of rules to live by."

I wasn't aware that they had influences other than the oxford group.

"And  yes there are many 'MUSTS' IN THE BB PROBABlY OVER A HUNDRED AND SOME INPLIED MUSTS,IF WE READ CLOSELY"

I'm sure they tried to keep away from that word in the 40's (when this article was published)

but all the same, I found alot of comfort in the message of unity. I know some people get offended when they here :AA will survive with or without you. But it just makes me think "hey! Wait up! I'm coming too!!"


Thanks for reading guys! Made it another day.

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Neophyte wrote:

I wasn't aware that they had influences other than the oxford group.


 I believe the Oxford group found those principles in what Doctor Bob called...."The Good Book'"



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One of the reasons they used the word principles was that alkies don't like to follow rules...Same reason they used suggestions instead of directions.

Principle : a rule or code of conduct

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In all seriousness, then why use the word god? SO many alkies hate god, why not bait and switch us again?

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Neophyte wrote:

In all seriousness, then why use the word god? SO many alkies hate god, why not bait and switch us again?


 There was a LOT of discussion and argumentation when the BB was being finalized about the amount of "God" in there. There were two sides, one wanting the BB to have unambiguously religious wording (led by guys like Fitz M.) and the other side (led by Jimmy B. and Dr. Howard) was wanting to remove all the "God" from the final version.  They kind of compromised.

The argument by the pioneers was quite beneficial. If they had left all the "God" in that Fitz wanted, we wouldn't be on an AA site today. It would have been wayyyy too much. It would have been too religious.

I don't know that many alkies hate God (or god), but many are quite suspicious of god-inspired evangalism.

Here's an excerpt illustrating the concern back in 1938-39:

Per Jimmy B.:

"Doctor Howard read [the manuscript] and brought it back the next day," he recalled. "He said Bill was making a damn big mistake. "This is the Oxford Group' he said, 'You have to change the whole damn thing.'

"We asked, 'Whyh? What is the matter with it/ It is pefect.'

"He said, 'You have to take out the must. You have to take out the God---the complete God.' Did Bill go into a tizzy then! He almost blew his top. Here was his baby being torn apart by a screwball psychiatrist."

(from Pass It On: The story of Bill Wilson and how the A.A. message reached the world)



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Hmmm... Thanks for that. I'll let that sink in.

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