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Here's a nice history of the Jung connection to AA I came across in my readings today. There may be a couple of small errors in it.

 

How Jung gave me the power to save my life

It had been put there by Jung Sr himself and it read: "Called or not called, God is always there."

It's the sort of statement that his mentor, the great Sigmund Freud, might not have approved of and it marks Jung as a mystic, whereas Freud was very much a pragmatist, obsessed with sex and sceptical of the metaphysical.

Born in Switzerland on July 26, 1875, Carl Jung remains one of the seminal thinkers of the 20th century. The reason for my visit to the Jung family home in Kusnacht was that, although many people don't know it, Carl Jung was involved with the beginnings of Alcoholics Anonymous, a fellowship that saved my life.

Jung was instrumental in the founding of AA and, through a series of letters to AA's co-founder Bill Wilson shortly before Jung died on June 6, 1961, he was also involved in the development of the AA movement. 

Jung maintained that an alcoholic's craving for alcohol was "the equivalent of the spiritual thirst of our being for wholeness, expressed in medieval language: the union with God". As he explained: "Alcohol in Latin is spiritus and you use the same word for the highest religious experience, as well as the most depraving poison." Jung said the most helpful formula for an alcoholic wanting to stop drinking was spiritus contra spiritum, "spirit against spirit, power against power".

Jung maintained that to get and stay sober most alcoholics needed to find a power or a force greater than that of alcohol.

This is why, in AA, members, even those like me who are atheists, often talk about finding or using a "power greater than oneself", which in many cases is the AA group to which they belong.

Jung's contribution to AA began in his Zurich office in 1932 when he had some sessions with an American alcoholic, Roland H. Instead of offering Roland any encouragement, Jung told his patient that there was nothing he could do for him and stressed his utter hopelessness as far as any further medical or psychiatric treatment was concerned.

Coming from someone he so much admired, the impact on Roland was immense. When he asked if there was any alternative, Jung told him that a spiritual experience might be his only hope. This might change him when nothing else could. But Jung cautioned that, while such conversion experiences sometimes brought recovery to alcoholics, they were rare. The substance of Jung's advice was that Roland place himself in a religious atmosphere and hope for the best.

Back in the US, Roland joined the Oxford Group, an evangelical Christian movement, later known as Moral Re-Armament, which emphasised the principles of self-analysis, confession, restitution and the giving of oneself in service to others. In this atmosphere, he was temporarily released from his obsession to drink.

Feeling that he could help other alcoholics, Roland and another member chanced upon Ebby, an old school friend of Wilson. Ebby had been threatened with lifetime committal to an institution. With Roland's help, Ebby became sober, for a while.

At this time (1934) Wilson, a New York stockbroker on the skids, was threatened with permanent committal himself. Fortunately, his physician was William Silkworth of the Charles B. Towns Hospital in New York City, who had previously dried Wilson out a number of times.

For years, Silkworth had been saying alcoholism was an illness that had two components: some sort of metabolism difficulty, which he then called an allergy, which explained the phenomenon of craving; and an obsession of the mind that compelled the sufferer to drink against their will and interests. Though initially he thought it possible he could be of help, Silkworth was finally obliged to tell Wilson of the hopelessness of his condition. After leaving hospital, and despite all his efforts, Wilson drank more compulsively than ever. Ebby came to see him. Wilson, who had long regarded Ebby as a hopeless case, was impressed by his friend's abstinence. After three more weeks of uncontrolled drinking, Wilson returned to hospital in December 1934, when Ebby visited him and again told him his story.

Aware of the futility of his own efforts, Wilson recounts that he cried out: "If there be a God, will he show himself?" There came upon him a sense of release, which he describes in the language of mystical illumination. From that moment until his death in January 1971, he never drank alcohol again.

Silkworth took great pains to convince Wilson he was not hallucinating: "Something has happened to you (that) I don't understand. But you'd better hang on to it. Anything is better than the way you were." After his discharge, Wilson tried to save other alcoholics, but with no success. Yet, by talking with other alcoholics, he had remained sober himself. Silkworth suggested that, rather than stressing his spiritual experience, Wilson should first explain in detail the progressive nature of his own condition.

Soon afterwards, alone on a business trip in Akron, Ohio, and afraid that he would drink again, Wilson tracked down another alcoholic with whom to talk. This was a surgeon, Bob Smith, who had also been in touch with the Oxford Group, but whose attempts at staying sober had failed. When Wilson, following Silkworth's advice, told of his own experiences of the hopelessness of alcoholism, Smith accepted defeat and, after a brief relapse, stayed sober until his death in 1950.

Wilson and Smith's example established throughout the world groups of sober alcoholics whose primary aim was to solve their common problem and to help others to recover from alcoholism.

Four years after their meeting, Smith wrote: "Of far more importance (than the medical information Wilson gave) was the fact that he was the first living human with whom I ever talked who knew what he was talking about in regard to alcoholism, from actual experience. In other words, he talked my language."

AA began on June 10, 1935, in Akron, then spread to New York, Cleveland and all across the US, after which it went to Ireland and then to Australia.

Although Jung was not involved in formulating AA's 12 suggested steps of recovery, the great Swiss psychoanalyst nevertheless played a pivotal role in the foundation of what remains the most successful self-help group of the 20th and 21st centuries.

Ross Fitzgerald is the author of 35 books, including his memoir, My Name is Ross: An Alcoholic's Journey, and the political satire Fools' Paradise: Life in an Altered State.

 

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/opinion/how-jung-gave-me-the-power-to-save-my-life/story-e6frg6zo-1226436944703



-- Edited by Tanin on Sunday 29th of July 2012 08:55:02 PM

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Thanks Tanin, ... ...

I read Carl Jung's book "Modern Man in Search of a Soul" about 15 yrs ago ... Man oh man, was it deep ... it was more like a 'college level' study book in psychiatry ... It really was an excellent book but it frequently discussed issues far deeper than I could comprehend ... But what I did learn, was his (Jung's) contribution to the over-all evolution of AA was a critical piece of the AA puzzle ... and we should not forget this ... and it further shows us that AA and it's program is not just the product of one or two men, but of many ... and to me, it made me feel certain that our program was indeed born from the inspiration of God and His principles ...

Good history lesson ...

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Interesting stuff Tanin, thanks.



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Thanks Tanin,

It's a great story. I also heard that Roland ( a bad alcoholic from a very wealthy family), tried to get appointments with Frued, but he was booked so he had to "settle" for Jung. Freud would have never suggested a spritual solution.

I'm originally from the Akron-Cleveland area, the word on the street was always that the first true AA meeting (non-Oxford), was actually in Cleveland as the Catholic members did not believe in the open confession that was part of the Oxford meetings. This actually makes sense as it would have been difficult for the Akron alcoholics to split from the Oxfords after all the support they where given.

I guess it would be true that AA began in Akron,  but the first AA meetings where in Cleve..

 

 



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Mahalo Tanin for the history lesson which confirms that what happened for me from the age of nine wasn't a mystry but an actual duplicated event within the disease of alcoholism.  At the age of 9 after my first drink I thought, "God was in the bottle".  Year later as I started my recovery I discovered that God was after the bottle and the spirituality of that was not caused by the chemical but without it and a deep desire to not use it again.  Carl Jung and then my sponsorship who could have ever dream't up this process.  Considering all of the assets and tool and manipulations and such and the miraculous events which have led up to our sobriety today, there is no doubt at all for me that HP needs us sober to carry the message that even Carl Jung was involved in.  Thanks so much for this post. It is sooo revealing of HP's love of the alcoholic.

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Rob84 wrote:

It's a great story. I also heard that Roland ( a bad alcoholic from a very wealthy family), tried to get appointments with Frued, but he was booked so he had to "settle" for Jung. Freud would have never suggested a spritual solution.


 You're probably right about what Freud would have never suggested. But, although it has been reported that Rowland Hazard did try to see Freud, this has been refuted in recent years. It's also pretty sure that Hazard did not get treated by Jung for an entire year.

 

Rob84 wrote:

I'm originally from the Akron-Cleveland area, the word on the street was always that the first true AA meeting (non-Oxford), was actually in Cleveland as the Catholic members did not believe in the open confession that was part of the Oxford meetings. This actually makes sense as it would have been difficult for the Akron alcoholics to split from the Oxfords after all the support they where given.


That's about right. In 1938-39, Clarence S. had been bringing down a group of Clevelanders down to Akron to meet on Wednesday nights at the home of T. Henry and Clarace Williams. They were Oxford Groupers and non-alcoholic, but very sympathetic and supportive of the alkies--something not true of all OGers at the time.

The Wednesday meetings were OG-based meetings and OGers attended along with the alkies, who were called "the alcoholic squadron of the Oxford Group."  There was some pressure being put on Clarence from the Catholic clergy in Cleveland, the clergy not liking the OG practice of "sharing," likening it to confession, to which of course they laid exclusive claim. So, the priests were even talking excommunication for the wayward alkies...

Astonishlingly, when the Big Book was published on April 10, 1939, it really did not change the Akron (and Cleveland) alkies' affiliation with OG. They just kept right on having the same Wednesday night meetings. Well, ole Clarence started thinking... and figured out his plan. So, on May 10, 1939 at the end of the Akron meeting, he announced" that it was "the last time the Cleveland contingent would be down to the Oxford Group as a whole." He said they were going to start a meeting on Thursday nights in Cleveland, beginning the very next day, May 11, 1939. He told them "We're gonna start our own group in Cleveland." and "This is not gonna be an Oxford Group. It's gonna be known as Alcoholics Anonymous. We're taking the name of the book; and only alcoholics and their families are welcome. Nobody else."

The reaction was, also astonishingly, quite negative. Dr. Bob flat out told Clarence , "You can't do this." 

Well, they did have the meeting the next day in Cleveland and Dr. Bob and a bunch of Akron alkies went up there to protest. One guy wanted to win the argument by threatening to kick Clarence's ass. But cooler heads prevailed and the Akron boys went back home having to accept the new group. Still, the Akron group did not make the break with OG until Oct/Nov of 1939. By then, Cleveland was way ahead in organizing AA meetings and new groups. They created a true AA meeting format, assigned tasks to regular member, established the concept of sponsorship and rotation. By the end of 1939, two or three more groups started in Cleveland and all the early growth in AA was in Cleveland in the period after the book was published until the March 1, 1941 Saturday Evening Post article hit--which really resulted in AA growth achieving critical mass.

 

Rob84 wrote:

I guess it would be true that AA began in Akron,  but the first AA meetings where in Cleve..


 It most certainly is true that the first AA meetings were in Cleveland. Historians agree on that, though some of the old-timers don't like that fact. Clarence was a crucial player at the beginning of AA. Some, like Nell Wing, B.W.'s secretary who was involved in all the correspondence at the time, opined that Clarence just might have been considered a "tri-founder" of AA. But Clarence was kind of an asshole, so he didn't get the props he probably deserved.

I would say that AA began in Akron and NYC simultaneously based on the historical accounts. Akron was a bigger AA center than NYC until after 1940 or so.

This information comes from the books "Dr. Bob and the Good Old Timers,"  "How It Worked: The Story of Clarence H. Snyder and "Pass It On: The Story Bill Wilson and How the A.A. Message Reached the World." It's in plenty of other books as well.

 



 



 



-- Edited by Tanin on Sunday 29th of July 2012 09:07:58 PM

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I loved reading this! I was not aware of much of this, and I have to say... it made me appreciate the works of Carl Jung that much more :) Thanks for the info!

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Great stuff Tanin,

You really have your history down. It was really kind of a shame that Clarance was kind of written out history, I don't even think his "Home Brewmaster" story is in the current BB editions.

Hard to say how singleness of purpose/focus on alcoholism would have evolved without him making the split, he was applying some of the traditions before they where written and his service work was increadible. You probably know some of the reasons they thought he was a A-hole, probably best not to got into it here.

Here is a link to his story and ESH, it's really good if anyone is interested.

 



 



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Very nice recording. Thanks, Rob.



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