Jumped on here. Someone sugeested a meeting today, so I found one. And Ill go, even though Im not looking forward to it.
Why? Cause I have the apartment all to myself today tonight and tomorrow. To any other 21 year old out there, it would mean "freedom", parties, friends (drinking? smoking?), loud music and comradery. And aside from the possibility of substances, that seems pretty age appropriate. YOLO, right? Not me, freakin only 21 year old who would rather marvel at the blisters on my feet (yeah, i wear them as a badge of honor) and enjoy the idea of sitting alone in my truck driving in the middle of the night, in a gigantic circle, wasting gas, and isolating.
So I was sitting here thinking... I think it was last month, someone said "if your thinking about going to a meeting, go to a meeting then think about it" followed shortly by someone else's comment, something about needing "smart feet".
So tonight I will go to a meeting. And I will partake in any comradery that comes my way.
-- Edited by Ruhig on Friday 15th of June 2012 05:11:49 PM
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I hear you Ruhig. You have a lot of smarts dear, especially for someone your age. I guess it goes to show how committed you really are. I totally agree with the idea of meetings, the more you make the greater your chances. So keep doing just that Ruhig, make meetings. As far as the "smart feet" analogy is concerned, you're so right dear. The department of defeat -as I put it- or in this case 'the feet' works for me also Ruhig. My mind may fail me, but my foot knows where to tread. So enjoy your weekend dear, sober of course. Okay. We're here if you need us, always.
-- Edited by Mr_David on Friday 15th of June 2012 09:57:12 PM
I want to hear more about the coffee and 'Ice Cream' ... Where'd you go for ice cream??? ... what flavors??? .... how much did you have??? ... was it any good and will you go back??? .... ooooh, so many details left out ... what's your favorite? ... did they add whipped cream and nuts ??? ... sprinkles maybe??? ... how 'bout a slice of banana or a cherrie??? ... chocolate syrup maybe???
Okay, ... ... ... I am officially drooling now ... m u s t h a v e i c e c r e a m ! ! !
I'm a goner, Pappy
-- Edited by Pythonpappy on Friday 15th of June 2012 11:28:03 PM
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So that meeting I went to.. was about 9 & 10 steps...
Do you remember that thing I posted about beating my fiancee up? Well.. heres the funny thing...
I told you guys, and the general concensus was to start working my program. I told my sponsor, she told me to break up with him I told the meeting I went to..(which incidently was a 5th step meeting) They sent me to alanon and thanked me for my honesty I told my mom ( who doesnt know anything about the steps and isnt an alcoholic), you know what she said?
Mom: Apologise to him. Me: But what if he doesnt come back to me? Mom: It doesnt matter how he responds. Its not about you! Its about that you need to sincerely apologise for what you did.
(Make amends, for the right reasons, with altruistic motives... unless it hurts you or others)
Is that really how normal people think? They just INTRINSICALLY KNOW this stuff??
-- Edited by Ruhig on Saturday 16th of June 2012 01:27:12 AM
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After meeting there were 16... SIXTEEN... people who invited me out for coffee and ice cream. I went. Aparently all I had to do was show up. Smart feet do become happy feet.
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I think there's an invisible principle of living...if we believe we're guided through every step of our lives, we are. Its a lovely sight, watching it work.
Python, you trying to vicariously eat my ice cream?
It was all water ice or fat free custard... In a cup, vanilla, no additives.
Sorry to give shoot down your ice cream wet dream. Lol
Watered down ice cream? Are you kidding? There should be a law against that. I'm not drooling like Pappy anymore. What's next, Tofu Ice cream? Please...You can have mine Pappy, I'm no longer hungry.
That's what they called it, we were gonna go to friendlys, but when someone mentioned the ritas and how DD is right next to it I was all over gettin DD coffee... Even if the guy did make it wrong.
The one thing I miss about nj... Make your own coffee DD locations.
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When I used to work for mcdonalds, there was this dude who would come in every day at 11 in the morning and get a vanilla cone. Told me ever since he quit smoking, eating the cone would help him think. What is with men and ice cream? It's like people who eat yogurt, don't you realize the BACTERIA that's in your dairy products?!?!?!?!? And that yogurt is basically a freakin BACTERIA LIQUID FARM???!?!?!?!
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Oh Lord, ... ... ... I do eat Yogurt nearly every morning ... on top of my cereal usually with a banana sliced up on top of that ... Great stuff ... almost like soft ice cream mixed with crunchy stuff ... uuuum good ... Hey Ruhig ... ... ... haven't you heard, that's the good bacteria, I think ... it's supposed to promote 'intestinal flora' or some b.s. like that, what-ever that is ... ... ... LOL ... ... ... hummm, intestinal flora??? is that a 'happy butt'??? ...
Oh God, look at the time, no wonder my mind is mush ... ... ... too old for this stuff ... man I'd be dead if it hadn't been for that nap ... heehee
Pappy
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Im well versed in the balance of flora in the body (like e. coli can kill you if it spreads beyond the large intestine, and that you shouldnt take antibiotics with yogurt) And I guess I cant say much about yogurt since i am a CHEESE FREAK!! and cheese is like bacteria that can grow mold (blue cheese and swiss cheese come to mind, along with that illegal maggot cheese)
but seriously? like... liquified bacteria?? ugh... gross (and this coming from someone who wipes $h!t off peoples @$$es for a living) lol
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There is nothing new in this program. All of this stuff has floated around since time began. I see it all the time in the writings of great philosophers and religious / spiritual people. In every culture and every time there are men and woman that search for the freedom that only honesty, doing the right thing, and removing the bonds of self will bring. Some people get it intrinsically. Your mum is probably one of them. My girlfriend is too. Some never will. Most have it some times and not at other times.
We, on the other hand, get bailed up at gun point and are told to learn this stuff or die. Not the nicest way to be instructed but it certainly helps sharpen the focus.
"We, on the other hand, get bailed up at gun point and are told to learn this stuff or die. Not the nicest way to be instructed but it certainly helps sharpen the focus. "
No, it's not nice but... 1. I believe there is the story of why we are the chosen ones floating around in a previous topic. And 2. What with some of the stuff we (may have) pulled, we are the ones that need to focus, I mean we(our disease) has not only a support group and steps for the person with alcoholism, but also one for kids of (acoa) (alateen) for our significant others and family members (alanon) and we even have a whole chapter dedicated to our EMPLOYERS. no wonder they didn't give us an easier softer way.
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Aye. I'm not complaining. The rewards far outweigh the crap I had to get through to get here. And, I am told and I believe, it will get even better.
I was more thinking that had it not been for this disease I would have only ever looked at this outlook on life with a passing glance and a murmured "that's interesting' before shifting my attention to whatever shallow pursuit I was interested in that day. However, having the very real understanding that it was this or oblivion then I chose this and threw myself into it, and it was only then I began to see that the still waters of this program ran very deep indeed.
How nice the world would be if everyone had to follow the 12 steps, but it would never happen. Except for a very lucky few the focus and commitment just isn't there. Even among us that do have the gun pointed at us only some do choose to properly follow it, and even then it is so easy to throw away as I found out earlier in the week, and that the roll call of the missing will tell you.
Ruhig, I remember marveling at how "normal" people do somehow pick up morals either intrinsically, through religion, or through their upbringings where as we alcoholics seem to miss out or disregard morals when they are inconvenient for us.
I heard you sort of mourning that you cannot do what an average 21 year old might be doing with their "freedom." Try and remember that you are viewing what is "normal and average" for your age through an alcoholic's eyes. Many many many (maybe even most) 21 year olds would not use less supervision to go out and party, drink, and drug. It seems like that is normal but it's not. The longer I am sober, the more I reflect on that other people typically did not drink like me. Even in college when I thought everyone was drinking like me - They were not. It was me that was going way way overboard and getting much drunker than all my peers. Other folks did have "a few drinks" but to me it felt like everyone was getting wasted and so should I. It has even taken a few years of sobriety to really see that "normal/nonalcoholics" are just different at no matter what age. Given more time in sobriety, you will fit back into your own same-aged peer group in a comfortable way and you will be able to do it sober. In the meanwhile, it's not a bad thing to be surrounded by older sober folks. You will be wiser and better off for it anyhow.
It's a far better use of your time to be figuring out the principles you want to live by and building a sober foundation for the rest of your life than it is to party and watch your 20's just waste away like I did. Keep those smart feet moving one in front of the other. You will be so much better off for it.
Mark
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Haha! I completely identify with this post. I too tend towards isolation..always have, even as a child. Sure, I'll play with the other kids, but I'd prefer to be alone. I sometimes have to also force myself to go to meetings. Being a newcomer walking in alone can be intimidating. " smart feet".. How appropriate as I am leaving my house now to walk 2 miles to go to a meeting I'm not psyched about either. But I'm going.. And I certainly hope there's ice cream involved lol!
Probiotics are a recovering alcoholic's very best friend - I just ordered probiotic 14 from good health naturally USA last week - gave a bottle to my dad for fathers day. I've been taking them for over 4 yrs now... might be the reason I'm not in as bad of health as I should be from all the drinking. Also took milk thistle every day - and drank dandelion tea. Always trying to find a way to drink, and not be damaged. SO CRAZY!
Now I can enjoy the benefits from all I do to eat and stay healthy! So glad for AA.
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It's just after 10p.m. here and I just had a spot of 'green tea' (mint added) ... pretty darn good, if I do say so myself ... (I'm told it's supposed to be good for you ...) ... anti-oxidant or somethin'? ... Okay, question, for you brainiacs out there ... It would seem to me that an 'anti-oxidant' would be bad for you ... ... ... you know, anti- oxygen? ... ... I don't know, it just seems that a 'pro-oxidant would be better ... Whats the deal here, anybody 'get it' ???
Pappy
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Did somebody mention 'chocolate' ??? .... gotta git me some ... Ya'll know chocolate comes in Ice Cream too ??? ... oh boy, oh boy, oh boy, ... ... ...
-- Edited by Pythonpappy on Sunday 17th of June 2012 10:39:22 PM
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Antioxident; itsgood because it prevents oxidation of the cells. Oxdation is a form of decay. Think metal becomes rust because of oxidation.
Okay ... ... ... just so you know how my brain works, ... if I use my lungs to oxygenate my blood, thereby putting oxygen in my body on purpose ... then explain why I need to consume stuff called anti-oxidents??? ... to get rid of the stuff I want??? ... (and yes, rust IS the result of oxygen on untreated steel or iron)
Pappy
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Okay, okay ... ... ... oxidant is what's mis-leading .... has nothing to do with oxygen I see ... just 'free radicals' in the body's cells ... ... ... 'free radicals' huh? ... ... ... sounds like a Rock Band .... or a riot group ...
Aaaaah, so much to learn ... and soooo little time ...
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You're bombarded with free radicals just by normal living. They make you age, and make you sick in various ways. Things that are high in anti-oxidants like green tea - broccoli - berries - dark chocolate - help your body get rid of them, and make less work for your liver (which we all know has already taken a beating). I'm going to try and give it a break if I can from now on : ) Milk thistle and dandelion tea or supplements are shown to help. Probiotics are good for so many things I'd have to start a new thread. Plain and simple - just take them! When you're looking for them, remember two things: Lots of strains, and each in the billions. Some day, when you're not dying - you wont thank me... hehe ; ) LOL
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