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Just felt like sharing this, not sure if I'm looking for advice or just comments really.

About 2 weeks ago on these boards after a hellish weekend of 3 days pretty much drunk which felt great at the time but horrible when I sobred up and realised how utterly stupid I'd been I realised I have a drink problem, i'm a binge drinker and 70% of the time I drink i end up getting totally drunk. I drink sporadically maybe 6 times a month but it's always very bad.

I came to conclusion I am an alcoholic, and with help of big book i learnt of here I learnt things such as next drink will be the one that causes more disaster instead of my stupid thinking well one drink wont hurt. It kept me sobre last week or 2.

But. twice despite being at an all time low just 2 weeks ago, twice in last week I've been very close to drinking again. Once I saved 5-pounds at work and was going to a cheap pub on way home to buy 3 pints of beer. I was half way there, and then was in 2 minds. I bought some food so I wouldn't be able to afford to go in there, It was the sane me doing what I knew was right and it stopped me.

Then tonight, friday night. I get in. Decide i'm going out, I can drink moderately, I'm going to go and just have 4-5 pints. I start to get changed then all of a sudden the urge leaves me and I manage to stay in.

So I dont know if this is God helping me or what but it seems strange twice I get this close and it seems to just get under control in nick of time.

Horrible thing is I do still want the feeling of drinking. I just know if I do I could cause major damage in my life situation and it's fight. It's like I'm two people. I don't know how the sane one has won twice. But I'm a little worried next time I wont and I'll end up drinking. Even as I write this part of me is believing maybe I still can drink if I dont go too mad. Yet at same time I know 100% best option for my life as a whole would be never to touch the damn stuff again. This is very hard.



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Hi,
Every time I read the "Doctors Opinion" in the Blue Book, I see myself.
The Same thing happens when I read Chapter 3 of the blue book.
Kind of leads me to step 1, then Step 2, then Step3, and so on.
Hoping for you.
Wayne

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thanks wayne im going to check out chapter 3 of big book i havent read that yet

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Great !!!!!
It is good to know what we are up against. An informed choice is helpful in this hard thing.
Good news is we are never alone on this journey.
Wayne

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"So I dont know if this is God helping me or what"  After how it happened for me that is the only conclusion that came to me and stayed.  For me it was and is the "coming to believe" after I had exhausted all investigation regarding the first event and then the journey to get and stay sober.  I was told early on which I easily sluffed off that our program of recovery is a "God" thing.  I was concerned about the fellowship being churchy and they were not...some get preachy but not in the same form as organized (or disorganized for that matter  ..LOL) religion.  I found a Higher Power in the rooms of recovery and since then HP as confirmed with me that I was being directed mostly when I didn't know I was and since have come to hope and faith that the relationship will stay that way.  HP want's you, us, me sober so that we can be of best use.  Congradulations on the sober days...find a meeting, call it home, find a chair, sit down; all the way down, listen, learn, practice...practice..practice and keep coming back cause it works when you work it.   What a concept buying food and eating instead of boozing. Soooo profound.   (((hugs))) smile



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Hi There,

And Welcome to our little family of Recovering Alcoholics here at MIP. (Miracles in Progress)

Our 1st Step...

"We are Powerless over Alcohol- and our Lives have become unmangable"  more of a two part Step.

This is the only Step that needs to be done perfectly, the following Steps, to the best our own abilities.

Hope you can find an AA meeting and go to one ASAP.

Good to have you here, and about your prevous Post, if you have not read the book, "The Power of Now" by Eckhart Tolle, I highly recommend it...Very Powerful and an excellent read.

God Bless,

Toni



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Thanks...windowview for the topic.

 It's strange isn't it? Those feelings that terrify us into submission -once again. My epiphany was born out of need not want. I needed to feel comfortable and alcohol provided me with some much needed relief in times of peril or persecution. However...it didn't last. Alcohol was a temporary fix to a permanent problem, which caused more pain than it's worth. I wanted to adopt a more practical and sober approach to handling life's challenges and alcohol wasn't cutting the mustard anymore. So what happened? I had to change...and I did -thank God.

I don't want to get religious on you here but I will for practical purposes only. You talked about betwixt and between, which is a good analogy, especially after reading your post. It says in Philippians 1:23 of the Bible and I'm quoting here: "For I am in a strait betwixt two". I guess you can apply the same meaning in that passage to your dilemma. You want to remain sober which is the sane thing to do and there is that other desire, which fills the alcoholic void in our life -nothing more. We all know where that leads and believe me it's not to a recovery forum. So...What to do? Good question...   

The psychological cravings of wanting to drink became so overwhelming, that the thought of a drink was contstantly on my mind -especially in early sobriety. The cravings weren't just a figment of my imagination, they were actually happening. I craved alcohol like I did a big juicy hamburger, which was most of the time. So...the dilemma ensued.

My sponsors suggestion early on in my sobriety was to "bear the pain and discomforts of life and do so even through the most trying of times". He said and I'm quoting here: "Bear the discomforts and the comfort will come". If I only had "the will and the way to bear those discomforts, to spot the defeatist babble in my brain and the means to stamp it out, than the chances at prolonged sobriety would be a real possibility". That did happen over time, of course -thanks be to God. My suggestion to you is this:  Whatever comforts you and brings joy to your life despite the anxieties that tend to overwhelm us from time to time is a good start. Focusing our attention  elsewhere and dedicating our time to more meaningful and pleasant experiences rather than our minor inconveniences, helps restore proper balance during the emotional benders of life. That's what my sponsor suggested to me and I'm returning that favor to you.

Finally...here are some partings words from a famous doctor who gave us some valuable insights on our addictions: "The resoluteness of the muscles will overcome the defeatism of the brain". That's why they always say "move a muscle and change a thought". "We should Replace insecure thoughts with secure thoughts". "We should be self led not symptom led". "Our Symptoms are to be patiently borne, bravely faced and humbly tolerated". Finally...here's my favorite part: "Symptoms are distressing not dangerous and the return of the symptom doesn't mean return of the illness". How true...Keep the light on, my friend, always remembering this one principle "Time heals all wounds, so give time "time"aww

~God bless~






 

 

































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thanks for replies appreciate them.

i think really useful thought for me is 'to replace insecure thoughts with secure thoughts' going to try this today

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Window view - I read your initial post here with a feeling of here is a guy that is following a similar path to me.

I was a binger, just like you until it got worse, much worse.

In my experience alcoholism is a three legged disease. Remember this, it is a disease, not a choice, not a failing, not a lack of will power, but a disease.

It's not my fault or anyone else's that I'm an alkie. But it is MY responsibility to do summat about it.

Alcoholism as I said is a three legged disease. Mental - I was obsessed with the drink, this time it'll be different even though all indications said it would be the same or worse. Physical - I out alcohol into my body and something happens that doesn't happen to non alkies - my body and brain scream out for more and more. Spiritual - without a doubt I believed I was the all knowing all powerful most important person in total control of everything.

The solution is also 3 legged. Meetings, Sponsor, Steps.

Go to meetings and find other people like you, you are not alone in this.

Find a sponsor to guide you through the steps.

Embrace the stesp wholeheartedly and learn how to live a new life.

Now you make a choice - does it hurt enough for you to want to stop? If yes, get your arse to a meeting as soon as possible. Sit and listen.

If it doesn't hurt enough yet, then go to that bar and get a good cargo on.

It may be that you're just a heavy drinker, it may be that you decide you are an alkie.

If you decide you are an alkie and you keep on drinking, it will get worse. You will get sicker. I know this because this was my progression. You will lose more and more. I know this because this was my progression. Ultimately you'll go Insane, go In Jail or go In the ground. I know this because I've seen it happen.

It's up to you.



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thanks bill

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I don't hear anything about going to meetings and really being proactive. I am not trying to down you at all. You sound like you have the same problem we all have suffered with and I just want to arm you with some knowledge so you can better succeed.

Here is the deal: Most people fail at getting sober on their own. Many or most fail while attempting AA (a few times but if they stick with it they tend to get sober eventually). The ONLY people I have seen have lasting sobriety who were true alcoholics have done so with a dilligent program of recovery in place.

If you leave the equation of Windowview versus Alcoholism, Alcoholism will win. It has be be Windowview, God, the Fellowship, the literature, meetings, working steps, having a sponsor versus Alcoholism in order to give yourself a real chance. Do not wait until your life is so bad that you are really ready to instutute all the other things i just mentioned. Do it now. I really am praying for you because it does seem like you are truly at a turning point where you could go one way and begin a new life or just relapse for a while longer (which could mean death for any of us because we can never predict where a relapse will lead except that they get worse every time).

Mark

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