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Here in Ireland,  one law says it is,  yet our mental health act says it isnt. 

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I'm not sure what you are looking for here, I am unfamiliar with the laws in Ireland, but I can tell you what I and many others believe (but certainly not everybody)

The American Medical Association classifies it as a "disease" the definition of which is "An unhealthy condition of mind or body with specific signs and symptoms"

AA classifies it as an illness or malady, an obsession of the mind coupled with an allergy of the body:

we who have suffered alcoholic torture must believethat the body of the alcoholic is quite as abnormal as his mind. It did not satisfy us to be told that we could not control our drinking just because we were maladjusted to life, that we were in full flight from reality, or were outright mental defectives. These things were true to some extent, in fact, to a considerable extent with some of us. But we are sure that our bodies were sickened as well. In our belief, any picture of the alcoholic which leaves out this physical factor is incomplete.

The doctors theory that we have an allergy to alcohol interests us. As laymen, our opinion as to its soundness may, of course, mean little. But as exproblem drinkers, we can say that his explanation makes good sense. It explains many things for which we cannot otherwise account.


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We believe, and so suggested a few years ago, that the action of alcohol on these chronic alcoholics is a manifestation of an allergy; that the phenomenon of craving is limited to this class and never occurs in the average temperate drinker.

Men and women drink essentially because they like the effect produced by alcohol. The sensation is so elusive that, while they admit it is injurious, they cannot after a time differentiate the true from the false. To them, their alcoholic life seems the only normal one. They are restless, irritable and discontented, unless they can again experience the sense of ease and comfort which comes at once by taking a few drinksdrinks which they see others taking with impunity. After they have succumbed to the desire again, as so many do, and the phenomenon of craving develops, they pass through the well-known stages of a spree, emerging remorseful, with a firm resolution not to drink again. This is repeated over and over, and unless this person can experience an entire psychic change there is very little hope of his recovery.

I do not hold with those who believe that alcoholism is entirely a problem of mental control. I have had many men who had, for example, worked a period of months on some problem or business deal which was to be settled on a certain date, favorably to them. They took a drink a day or so prior to the date, and then the phenomenon of craving at once became paramount to all other interests so that the important appointment was not met. These men were not drinking to escape; they were drinking to overcome a craving beyond their mental control.

There are many situations which arise out of the phenomenon of craving which cause men to make the supreme sacrifice rather than continue to fight.

The classification of alcoholics seems most difficult, and in much detail is outside the scope of this book. There are, of course, the psychopaths who are emotionally unstable. We are all familiar with this type. They are always going on the wagon for keeps. They are over-remorseful and make many resolutions, but never a decision.

There is the type of man who is unwilling to admit that he cannot take a drink. He plans various ways of drinking. He changes his brand or his environment. There is the type who always believes that after being entirely free from alcohol for a period of time he can take a drink without danger. There is the manic-depressive type, who is, perhaps, the least understood by his friends, and about whom a whole chapter could be written.

Then there are types entirely normal in every respect except in the effect alcohol has upon them. They are often able, intelligent, friendly people.

All these, and many others, have one symptom in common: they cannot start drinking without developing the phenomenon of craving. This phenomenon, as we have suggested, may be the manifestation of an allergy which differentiates these people, and sets them apart as a distinct entity. It has never been, by any treatment with which we are familiar, permanently eradicated. The only relief we have to suggest is entire abstinence.



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It could be in GB - I knew of ONE untreated, unrecovered alkie in receipt of disability living allowance and Motability on teh grounds of his alcoholism - but that was 15 years ago when things were a bit lax - fancy giving a disabled driver privelidges to an active alkie, kind of encouraging drink driving, neh?

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It's all about the money--the money insurance companies and hospitals would have to shell out if the health care system actually recognized alcoholism as the disabling medical condition it can be. And the money insurance would cost people to add real health care options for alcoholism to the benefits package. With the addiction rates what they are globally, you're talking about a real dent in the economy if severe alcoholism qualified as a disability. Maybe the big banks' bail-out & the stimulus money should have gone into prevention, treatment, and supports for recovery? Wonder what would happen if we actually had a healthier society? But then again, there's all that bad (and dangerous) behavior that ticks people off...so the odds of equitable insurance and treatment and increased compassion aren't that great. Lee's rant of the day! :)

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Thank you for your replies, leeu, your right its all about the money. Linbaba, i would agree with you , i think there is something that causes one person to crave alcohol more than the next, i too do not believe alcoholics drink excessively because its somthing they want or make a decision to do. Your theory is interesting, since my sister died from alcoholism i have been studying this condition and i offer you this theory i have come up with.

Alcoholics are known to have low sertonin levels, low sertonin levels cause depression. When a person drinks alcohol, their sertonin levels rise and they get a feel good factor, though it also causes their sertonin levels to dip lower once the alcohol wears off, this worsens their condition and makes them crave the feel good factor alcohol brings again. Also, it causes them to crave the taste of alcohol, i wondered why a simple cola or fizzy drink could not satisfy these cravings but it seems the alcohol satisfies the craving for sugar while also increases the sertonin levels though only for a short while. It seems the body has a funny way of telling us what it needs. I understand this a little as when i was pregnant i had an awful craving for coal, i had a bad craving to eat it, i heard it was a sign i was lacking in iron, and low and behold a test later confirmed i was. The body again told me what it needed.   If you or any one else are interested in this look into ways to naturally increase your sertonin levels to see if it makes a difference.
  My sister died 3 years ago, she signed herself out of hospital in her nightdress having arrived there unconious from alcohol earlier that day. They said it was her own decision to leave, alcoholism in their eyes is not a disability and they said she was sound of mind and knew what she was doing, we are in the proceeds of taking a court action against them and hopefully when it is over they will see that it is. It wont be an easy case to argue but i aim to give it my best shot.  My sister meant the world to me and i hate the fact that people think she choose to die like that.

-- Edited by dontlookback on Tuesday 26th of October 2010 06:18:27 PM

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Thank you for your replies, leeu, your right its all about the money. Linbaba, i would agree with you , i think there is something that causes one person to crave alcohol more than the next, i too do not believe alcoholics drink excessively because its somthing they want or make a decision to do. Your theory is interesting, since my sister died from alcoholism i have been studying this condition and i offer you this theory i have come up with.

Alcoholics are known to have low sertonin levels, low sertonin levels cause depression. When a person drinks alcohol, their sertonin levels rise and they get a feel good factor, though it also causes their sertonin levels to dip lower once the alcohol wears off, this worsens their condition and makes them crave the feel good factor alcohol brings again. Also, it causes them to crave the taste of alcohol, i wondered why a simple cola or fizzy drink could not satisfy these cravings but it seems the alcohol satisfies the craving for sugar while also increases the sertonin levels though only for a short while. It seems the body has a funny way of telling us what it needs. I understand this a little as when i was pregnant i had an awful craving for coal, i had a bad craving to eat it, i heard it was a sign i was lacking in iron, and low and behold a test later confirmed i was. The body again told me what it needed.   If you or any one else are interested in this look into ways to naturally increase your sertonin levels to see if it makes a difference.
My sister died 3 years ago, she signed herself out of hospital in her nightdress having arrived there unconious from alcohol earlier that day. They said it was her own decision to leave, alcoholism in their eyes is not a disability and they said she was sound of mind and knew what she was doing, we are in the proceeds of taking a court action against them and hopefully when it is over they will see that it is. It wont be an easy case to argue but i aim to give it my best shot.  My sister meant the world to me and i hate the fact that people think she choose to die like that.

-- Edited by dontlookback on Tuesday 26th of October 2010 06:18:27 PM




I am so sorry

In AA we believe that we alcoholics have lost "The Power of Choice", please go to some open meetings and listen in, talk to some actual real live "recovered alcoholics" that have spent the last 20 years working with "wet alcoholics" and you will get a true understanding of your sisters actions

 



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Anybody with a drinking problem can get better. They either choose to live or they choose to die.
Nobody poured booze down my throat.

I do not consider alcoholism as a disability ... especially since I am offered a better way of life and have found a solution to my problem.

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Happy Camper...gotta say it really saddens me when I hear, contrary to what the first step tells us, and what decades of valid medical and scientific studies have proven, that there are folks in AA who still think they "choose" their disease and the life-long course of its progression.

It is as judgmental and insensitive to imply that an individual with alcoholism controls their life-and death as an alcoholic as it is to blame the victim of cancer for its recurrence. We can do absolutely EVERYTHING "right" to put this disease in remission and keep it there, but we have NO guarantee. If so blessed, we have a "daily reprieve", based on our spiritual condition. That spiritual condition encompasses everything that we do to maintain the capacity to be honest and take the steps of the program, as suggested.

Neither AA nor any other recognized source of expertise claims that there is a "cure", which is what the notion of ultimately having a "choice" to drink or not drink implies. Not drinking does NOT remove the disease. It allows us to live WITH it, in a better state than when we were actively drinking. Current applied research has also proven that there are troublesome symptoms that emerge DURING periods of remission, which are primarily what the 12 steps and other tools for relapse prevention are there to help us with, so that once sober we don't return to sustained drinking again. The term "dry drunk" incorporates much of the non-drinking aspects of the disease. The simple concepts of AA, such as H.O.W, H.A.L.T., Easy Does It, etc are tried and true relapse prevention techniques.

When the disease impacts the body and the mind to the point of the medically-determined inability to function in daily living (long-term severe debilitation), it is indeed a disability, whether or not recognized by Medicaid or other restrictive laws.

Be grateful you are not the one with "wet brain" or end-stage renal failure, or dying of esophageal eruption. This is a "no fault" disease. We don't cause it, we don't control it, and we don't cure it. We learn to live with it. I truly hope if you ever relapse that no one among us here points a finger and says "See, you brought it on yourself".

Unless you are actually not someone for whom alcoholism is an issue, and you are not actually seeking help through the 12 steps and the fellowship of AA (including sites like this) I can only sincerely suggest that you revisit your first step. Whether your rationale for your assertions is denial or ignorance (I do NOT mean that in a bad way, I mean it in the sense of not having education about the disease) it is dangerous thinking, and a dangerous message to send to newcomers.



-- Edited by leeu on Wednesday 27th of October 2010 12:00:20 PM

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I understand completely what you are sharing leeu ,thankyou.

The first step is not MY first step , it is OUR first step and it says .. We admitted we were powerless over alcohol-that our lives had become unmanageable.
Its a We program, or at least I was taught that. I was sponsored to get the help I needed in order to stay alive. I wanted to live more than I wanted to die, so I got help.

It is there for anyone who wants it. Some ppl dont take what is offered and yes, that is sad. I dont know when God is going to give someone the gift of sobriety, nor do I know when the drunk is going to be willing to receive it either.

I currently know a woman who despite many ,many attempts at sobriety just cant seem to put that bottle down. She has had more than numerous suicide attempts via ride to the hospital in an ambulance and now receives a fat disability check from the governemt claiming she is disabled. She continues to drive around drunk ( without a licence ) putting innocent lives in danger, she has abandonded her children to her parents to raise, she blows her monthly check on booze and expensive clothing and accessories. She doctor/therapist shops and has all kinds of narcotic mood changing drugs that she mixes with the booze.

Does this anger me? You bet it does .. to a degree. My yearly tax return has a certain amount taken out each year to allow this woman ( and many other individuals ) to live like this. Essencially, myself and many others are paying for ppl to live like this. Does this anger me? Yep, to a degree. Does it anger me enough to pick a drink up? Absolutely not. Im human and Im gonna get and be angry every now and then. Do I get over it, yep.
Because I stay grateful for the plain and simple fact that Im sober and not living the life that these so called disable ppl are.
I am taught to pray for them and I do. Praying that someday, someday they will find the same path that was laid out for me.

This is my experience. My strength is found in God and the program of AA and my hope is that I continue daily on this path that is here for me so that I might be able to share it with someone who wants it and needs it.

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In this country, it is deemed such...

We just never know where someone has been, and how deep the scars are, and why some never recover......

God Bless us All, that is my Prayer.


PS. took our my previous response as I felt I got  off topic of the Post's question



-- Edited by Just Toni on Wednesday 27th of October 2010 11:01:37 PM

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