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Hi i'm new on here and just looking for more words of wisdom really! I'm 31 mum of 3 kiddies. I'm just over 3 months sober now, have a sponser and on step 9. I'm not doing anywhere near enough meetings and i've been feeling a bit odd the last 2 weeks. 'Dry drunk' has been mentioned to me. Any thoughts on this?

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Hi and welcome !
Congrats on 3 months sober, a sponsor and step 9, woohooo !!

Have you talked to your sponsor about how your feeling at odds lately ?

I have experienced the dry drunk syndrome many times in sobriety.  Always self inflicted .. very selfish and self centered of me and so NOT the AA program way of life.
I was restless, irritable and discontent.  Moody, full of self pity, wanted everything my way, pouty, crying, sad, depressed, critical, judgemental and all around miserable.

If nothing changes, nothing changes.  I got busy and got with my sponsor on each of these dry occasions . I shared with her honestly exactly what was going on between my ears and I listened to her suggestions and I started to work on these suggestions.

Most of all I prayed ... that I could and would stay open minded and willing enough to do what I knew was right.  I got my BB out and started dry drunk means Im sober ---- minus God and the Steps. reading thru steps 10, 11, 12 . I started taking the 10 th step inventory every day.
I started getting involved in AA service a little bit more, attending more meetings and working with other gals.

Dry drunks can be very scarry , not to mention dangerous.  There is always the chance that I could get so dry I become thirsty for that drink that always temporarily took care of the above mentioned behaviors and feelings.

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-- Edited by happycamper on Monday 6th of September 2010 07:48:01 PM

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Hi Angel,

Welcome to the MIP Board...you have come to the right place....first thing I want to clarify, I consider the Sponsor Sponsee relationship as almost sacred, with that said, I would say just my little opinion,  being on Step 9 at just 3 months does not sound like the Steps could be thoroughly done in that short time...most of the people here are on steps more slowly, you have to really dig in deep and work them slowly....and on the amount of meetings, how many can you get to? It is suggested that 90 meetings in 90 days will give you a strong initial foundation....

I was a chronic relapser, and out of sheer fear of going back to that rechidness of living or returning to that way of life, that was not living by any streach of the imagination, I went to one meeting everyday for almost 2 straight years.

Dry Drunk? that is usually used in terms of someone that is in the Program and"not working" a Program, usually with no sponsor.  So if you have a sponsor and are to the best of your ability working the steps, I dont see that applying to you....next time they say that, ask them exactly what they mean....???

Hope so much to see you again, and welcome again to our little family, that you are now a part of...

And I just dropped the "Fallen" part of your name,  Angel, from you name when I first wrote you....my own little spin, sorry, but why I did that, if you are now in Alcoholics Anonomous as a member then you just might learn to fly those wings...smile

Toodles and Hugs, Toni, one of your new friends here.

Welcome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



-- Edited by Just Toni on Monday 6th of September 2010 07:53:58 PM

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Conrats on getting sober and joining our way of life.  We will never be perfect,  but today we at least have the tools to help keep us in positive and improving spriritual condition.

I remembered there was a pamplet on this topic and found it online (pasted below).  For me the Dry drunk involves indulding in obsessive thinking.

I hope this helps



Dry Drunk

Most people who have experienced a dry drunk reach this point from not going to A.A meetings.
Go to meetings, (lots of meetings) Get a sponsor, and get involved in A.A

Sobriety will necessarily have its ups and downs, its good times and its bad times, if only because we live in a world which we are inseparably joined. One doesn't always sustain sobriety at the same level. There are fluctuations, shocks and setbacks which, when addressed within the context of the A.A. program, so not in themselves imperil the totality of one's sobriety. 
The Dry Drunk Syndrome is a term that should not be used as a catch-all when one has a bad day or a bump in life throws us for a while. Those are ups and downs that everyone experiences and shouldn't be labeled to be anything more than what they truly are. The Dry Drunk is a condition far more serious than the highs and lows of our day-to-day existence.

The phrase "dry drunk" has two significant words for the alcoholic. "Dry" refers to the abstinence from drinking, whereas "drunk" signifies a deeply pathological condition resulting from the use of alcohol in the past. Taken together these words suggest intoxication without alcohol. Since intoxication comes from the Greek word for poison, "dry drunk" implies a state of mind and a mode of behavior that are poisonous to the alcoholic's well being.

OBVIOUS TRAITS Persons experiencing a full-blown DRY DRUNK are, for that period, removed from the world of sobriety; they fail, for whatever reason, to accept the necessary conditions for sober living. Their mental and emotional homes are chaotic, their approach to everyday living is unrealistic, and their behavior, both verbal and physical, is unacceptable.

This lack of sober realism manifests itself in many ways.

1. Grandiosity, put very simply, is an exaggeration of one's own importance. This can be demonstrated either in terms of one's strengths or weaknesses. In either case it is blatantly self- seeking or self-serving, putting oneself at the center of attention, from the "big me" who has ask the answers to the "poor me" whose cup of self-pity runneth over and wants all of our attention.

2. Judgmentalism is mutually related to grandiosity. It means that the alcoholic is prone to make value judgments - strikingly inappropriate evaluations - usually in terms of "goodness" or "badness".

3. Intolerance leaves no room for delaying the gratification of personal desires. This is accomplished by gross confusion of priorities with the result that a mere whim or passing fancy is mistakenly given more importance than genuine personal needs.

4. Impulsivity is the result of intolerance or the lack of ability to delay gratification of personal desires. Impulsivity describes behavior which is heedless of the ultimate consequence for self or others.

5. Indecisiveness is related to impulsitivity in the sense that while the latter takes no realistic account of the consequences of the actions, the former precludes effective action altogether. Indecisiveness stems from an unrealistic exaggeration of the negative possibilities of the action ; so one wavers between two or more possible courses of action, more times than not- nothing gets done.

These conditions, grandiosity, judgmentalism, intolerance ,impulsivity, and indecisiveness taken separately or together can lead to the following: a) Mood swings, which are unrelated to the circumstances to which one tries to link them. Alcoholics zero in on what they want others to think is the cause of the mood swing, when it isn't that at all. More often than not it is something much deeper than the reason given. Inversely it can also be something totally insignificant with no substance at all (e.g. the sugar is too sweet or the donut is too round). Any excuse will do. b) Unable to demonstrate emotions freely, naturally and without constraint. No emotional spontaneity, no genuine spark. c) Introspection. A very healthy thing to do is difficult if not impossible for the "dry drunk". It means to look inward to one's examining each thought and desire, which is linked directly to one's attitude. d) Detachment. Become aloof, display indifference, don't care one way or the other, no special likes or dislikes, they withdraw. e) Self-absorption- with a tendency to call attention to whatever they have attained. Narcissism which is quite simply self-love. They become pompous asses. f) The inability to appreciate or enjoy themselves - nothing satisfies. g) Evidence of disorganization, is easily distracted, complains of boredom, and nothing seems to fit. h) A nostalgia sets in, a kind of wistful yearning for something of the past, such as freedom from care associated (falsely) with drinking, bars, drinking associates, and friends; the music, blue lights, and tinkle of the ice cubes in a glass in the neighborhood saloon. i) There can be a kind of romanticism, which includes unrealistic valuations of lifestyles and character traits which can be and usually are objectively dangerous to one's sobriety. j) Escapism. Fantasizing, daydreaming, and wishful thinking are very much in evidence in the dry drunk syndrome as the individual slips farther and farther from reality.

Since the abnormality of the alcoholic's attitudes and behavior during the drinking career is generally recognized, the persistence or these character traits after stopping drinking (or the reappearance after an interlude of sobriety) is equally abnormal.

The term "dry drunk" therefore denotes the absences of favorable change in the attitudes and behavior of the alcoholic who is not drinking, or the reversion of these by the alcoholic who has experienced a period of successful sobriety. From these conditions, it is to be inferred that the alcoholic is experiencing discomfort in life.

The self-destructive attitudes and behavior of the dry drunk alcoholic are different in degree but not in kind. The alcoholic, when drinking, has learned to rely on a deeply inadequate, radically immature approach to solving life's problems. And this is exactly what one sees in the dry drunk.

ANALYSIS OF DRY DRUNK BEHAVIOR The alcoholic who rationalizes their own irresponsible behavior are also likely to find fault in the attitudes and behavior of others. Although not denying their own shortcomings, they attempt to escape notice by cataloging in great detail the transgressions of others.

The classic maneuver of the dry drunk is over-reaction. The alcoholic may attach a seemingly disproportionate intensity of feeling to an ordinary insignificant event or mishap.

Some alcoholics who experience the dry drunk seem to know all the answers, are seldom at a loss for words when it comes to self-diagnosis. Their knowledge is quite impressive, their apparent insight, as opposed to genuine insight, is convincing.

CORRECTIVE MEASURES: #1 Go To Meeting. Those undergoing a dry drunk lead impoverished lives. They experience severe limitations to grow,, to mature, and benefit from the possibilities that life offers. They lack the freshness and spontaneity that genuinely sober alcoholics manifest. Their life is a closed system, attitudes and behaviors are stereotyped, repetitive, and consequently predictable.

Alcoholics learn early that humility and a power greater than them- selves are the bedrock for a genuine and productive sobriety. An unusual measure of self-discipline must accompany the ego deflation process. Needed is self-discipline in honesty, patience and responsibility towards the recovery process [and acceptance of their disease]. [To improve long term goals of sobriety be aware of mental stressors, get more involved in the recovery program, get active in the 12 steps, get and use a sponsor, talk things out.] Hopefully. they will begin to appreciate the ironic folly of those alcoholics who think life has suddenly become manageable again; whose sanity is beyond question; who see no need of turning their lives over to a power greater then them- selves; who find personal inventories unnecessary since they are seldom in the wrong and are no longer subject to the embarrassing need of repairing the wrongs they have done.

When dry drunk alcoholics awaken to this irony that they, still unmanageable, still powerless, are the ones who have made this remarkable "recovery," they may feel sufficiently mortified to want to change.

Reprinted with permission of The A.A. Grapevine, Inc. Alcoholics Anonymous
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Welcome to MIP Angel. 3 months is a great accomplishment, way to go. I'm like Toni on this one. It's hard to imagine (for me anyway) being on step 9 after only 3 months. It took me a year just for all the fog to clear out of my head and start seeing life for what it really is. I can remember feeling the way you do right now, but that seemed to vanish almost over night when I completed step 5 with my sponsor. The BB of AA talks the step 9 promises, and how we will be amazed before we are half way through (the 9th step). I started to experience some of these promises in my life before I was at step 9, but I feel that was because I was working the steps as hard as I could to the best of my ability. Once I hit that step, things really took off and I was rocketed to that new dimension the BB talks about.

Have you discussed any of this with your sponsor? If so, what was her take on things? Your the only one who can decide weather or not your suffering from a dry drunk, so don't let others classify you as such if you don't feel you are. When I start feeling "out of sorts" working with another alcoholic always gets me out of my own head. When I focus on someone elsa I', usually able to take my mind off of me; even if it's only for a short time. Usually though, the problem or situation I was hung up on seem to put it's self into perspective and I can face it with the help of God and others in the fellowship. In the mean time, take it easy on yourself, and keep putting one foot in front of the other. After all, I'm sure by now your starting to realize that your worth it.

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Welcome,glad you could join us!!!smile

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Welcome Angel.  glad you found your way here.

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thanks for the leaflet on it, ive never seen that leaflet, EVER. Its very interesting.
Im going to have a good read.


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Agreed about it not being too logical to be on step 9 this early. They did work the steps that fast in the early days, but that was cuz they were working with serious low bottom drunks and also there were not meetings, sponsorship, service, and other tools available to keep sober while gaining some clarity. For your whole first year you are really only learning to live life without booze. 3 months is a MAJOR MAJOR accomplishment all on its own. Keep it simple and go to more meetings. There is no way that you can be a "dry drunk" this early on cuz that is what occurs after you have quite a bit of abstinence time and then your personality realigns itself with exagerated character defects which come into play as a result of removing the alcohol without working the program or steps. Right now, it is too early for you to have that going on and you really should just be working on building a solid foundation of a program that will last you throughout your sobriety. You don't graduate from the program. Steppin off on meetings at just 90 days is a recipe for relapse and working the steps too fast and without enough mental clarity or sobriety time is a recipe for you telling yourself AA does not work when you do relapse because you will think you "did the steps already."

Also, you are going to be feeling funky and out of sorts on and off for a while...I had turbulent mood swings for a good year until things started to settle down. You are used to living in emotional chaos and it's only been 3 months without alcohol...Give it time and don't stress too hard when you don't feel peachy. It doesn't mean anything except that you are learning to deal with life without drinking. You are doing great and go easy on yourself, but above all, DONT DRINK!

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Can I ask something? In what way was "dry drunk" mentioned to you?

Sort of like "You are doing ok, it's not like you're on a dry drunk" or was it more in the vein of "You need to get to a meeting or work a step, you're on a dry drunk"

Because those two statements are very different, and it might be worth your while to ask for clarification.

"Feeling a bit odd" doesn't seem to be anywhere near a "dry drunk".

BTW, my two cents: The Big Book says to do step 4 immediately, and there is language that suggests that the steps are taken not a long time after you get sober, but in order TO get sober. In the olden days they had meetings, sponsors and other tools to keep sober, and did the steps right away. They used to have a 75% recovery rate that way, so it might work for you too.

I think you're doing fine. It's not like you won't have the chance to work the steps again if you forgot anything. :)


PS.  Dr. Bob got sober and was on his 9th step that DAY. AA number 3 (also known as the man on the bed) was 12 steped by Bill W and Dr. Bob Sixteen DAYS after Dr. Bob got sober. Dr. Bob was sober til the day he died, co-founded AA. It worked for him, it might work for others, so he and Bill passed it along.


-- Edited by Rainspa on Tuesday 14th of September 2010 12:33:28 AM

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