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Hi,

I dont know where to get advice, so hence the post.. hoping someone can help..

me and my partner are in recovery.. I put alot into my recovery, so therefore got alot out of it...

There are two people ... those who are victims and those who learn and grow from their experiences..

my partner is still playing the victim which is ruining our relationship... I got rid of my baggage (through the steps and grace of god) and now I am constantly dealing with his.. it is ruining our relationship..

has anyone else had the same experience.... i know we all grow and get sober at different speeds..      im putting my own soberity at jeopordy but i cannot just walk away without trying or knowing first if there is anything I can do?




-- Edited by sandy2010 on Monday 24th of May 2010 04:14:34 PM

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I have a similar situation, but mine is with my sister.  She has a gambling problem but always wants to point fingers at me and my addiction.  My sister and I live together and I thought if she went to gamblers anonymous that would help, but she does not want to do the work either.  I know that I can't make her do the work or change her, she has to want to do it for herself.  I let the situation, which I knew was toxic, go from bad to worse when I relapsed.  I relapsed out of anger, guilt and fear.  What was suggested to me was Alanon.  I know a lot of couples who are in recovery and they all go to Alanon meetings, I had just never thought of it for my situation.  I'm going to give it a try. 



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I am in the middle of a horrible divorce.... he is not an alcoholic, but addicted to other things in life, not chemicals..... but just as spiritually sick as an addict in the throws of addiciton... I stayed with him, working a program myself, and watched him get sicker and sicker, and neglect our marriage. I put my hand out to help him earlier on when he made a HUGE mistake, and I got pulled in. I relapsed over it a couple of times. I CHOSE to pick up, you do not have to do the same. But don't believe for one minute that this disease isn't powerful enough to start bringing you down. Water seeks its own level. You said "partner"... you are not married? Then my advice would be, run as fast and as far as you can, until the partner starts getting serious about recovery, IF he or she ever does.

Just my advice, you can take it if you like it, or throw it in the garbage, or put in on a shelf.

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Sandy, you answered your own question when you said you're putting your sobriety at risk. Statistically, one of you are probably not going to stay sober. Also, recovering alcoholics, on average, have a hard time negotiating relationships. Add to that, that relationships are the #1 cause for relapse, for those with a year or more (imho). So not only are you risking your own sobriety (which sounds pretty strong) but his sobriety is also at risk. There's another issue, and that is how hard it is to focus on yourself, working the steps, and getting rid of baggage, when you're in a relationship.

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This is my experience .....

My husband and I were drinking partners. I always drank more than him and got out of control, he never did. I got sober and he didnt. THAT pissed me off cuz I was so sure that he was an alcoholic too. Well, about 2 yrs into my sobriety I realized that he wasnt an alcoholic.

He would drink every now and then and it bothered me terribly. I thought how can he do this to me ? Was I ever wrong. He wasnt doing anything to me. He was drinking and that is his business. It had no effect whatsoever on me . Our own literature tells us that we can get sober regardless of our circumstances.

When I say he would drink every now and then, Id gues it was oh maybe twice a month for about a year, and when he did drink it was only a couple beers, but it still pissed me off.

I talked to my sponsor about it and she suggested Alanon. ( now I do have to mention that she also suggested Alanon cuz I have a Dad who drinks alot, a Mom addicted to painkiller for 35+ yrs. An older brother who is dry drunk/druggie. and a younger brother who is alcoholic. My son is a drunkie/junkie too ) so see .. I really needed Alanon.

I balked at having to work 2 programs . But my sponsor highly suggested I start and get better/healthy. Well, as usual, she was right. I love Alanon. Pretineer as much as I love AA.

I love my husband. I took vows in our marriage that said in sickness and in health , etc. etc.
yeah, it was tuff for those first couple years. He has no program and my sponsor kept pointing this out to me. Id have to honestly say that my sponsor saved my marriage cuz there were many times I wanted out. I was wrong, dead wrong !! I have a husband who loves me, treats me well, and is an all round very good person. He doesnt, nor never has layed a hand on me, has never talked badly to me, never run around on me.

My sponsor told me to continue to work on ME, and leave my husband be himself. I had to stop trying to change him. I had to love him no matter what. He is who he is and I didnt get sober to change him or anybody else for that matter.

It was tuff, but I prayed and asked for guidance from God, I prayed for patience and tolerance and it came ! I have those things for my husband today because I work the program of AA and Alanon. We have a very good relationship today.

When I changed the way I was looking at things ... the things I was looking at changed .
Hmmmm ... imagine that !

The program of AA has taught me many things, but the most important one is how to have relationships with ppl. Doesnt matter who those ppl are.

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Sandy,

Congrats on your growth in recovery. I have been sober 25 years and my wife of 12 years is doing well now, but has had some horrible episodes the past 7 years.

Your first concern is keeping yourself sober and your house in order. A few Al-anon meetings helped me.

We learn we can't change people, places and things. I try to communicate honestly and put efforts into helping the person change and recover. After that, we need to let it go, we are not in the results business.

Put in the effort you can, then the serenity prayer takes over. Accept the things we can change (them), courage to change the things we can (ourselves,actions,attitudes,decisions), and the wisdom to know the difference.

Staying sober is first, we are of no good to ourselves or others without that.

I hope this can help your future decisions.

Take Care,

Rob



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Nearly a year into recovery now and just beginning to enjoy life without alcohol.  It has been sobering to say the least to truly realize what life might be tied with sacred vows to a man who comes from a long family history of drug and alcohol use and drinks daily himself.  So far I have not let his choices affect my recovery.  He supportive only so long as none of the no drinking does not effect his drinking.  For all the repetition of the serenity prayer, it's easier said than lived.  I sympathize heartily. 
Dean-duly noted the one year issue and relationships. 
Also, this seems such an Alanon issue.  My sponsor originally suggested waiting a good while before attempting another twelve step program but I may need to revisit that idea.  Thank you for the topic.

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When I first sobered up it was to help save my marriage, but no matter what I did or how I changed I soon found out it was a one way street. My wife not only didn't get better she got worse and I soon discovered that there were not enough 12 step meetings in this world to make it work and I could see that the marriage was not worth saving. For my own sobriety and sanity 3 years sober I filed for divorce. I am now 21 years sober and have never been happier. I learned with the help of my sponsor that helping others is great but my sobiety has to come first.

-- Edited by Bob K on Wednesday 26th of May 2010 06:17:20 AM

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When I married my late husband, I told God up front that I couldn't promise to stay married till death do us part if he relapsed with drugs or alcohol. My sobriety had to come first and that I had proven to myself that no matter how much I loved someone else, I didn't stay sober if my partner wasn't doing that, too. I told my fiance (at the time) the same thing. I stuck to my AA program and I stayed out of his. I loved him for the many wonderful things he was and left his AA program to him and his Higher Power.

Well, to make a long story short, there were times when he did relapse after awhile. And in the end, when I finally couldn't do it anymore and told him he'd have to leave, he OD'd on heroin, evidently on purpose. That had always been his primary drug of choice but he had never used that till right at the end.

We lived together, worked together at a couple businesses we started---we were never apart and if soulmates really exist, he was mine for 15 years. But if my sobriety had ever been at stake, I'd have ended it. My Higher Power got me to the "till death do us part" for once in my life and I'm very grateful for that. At the very last there, though, I just couldn't keep going because we had two grandkids to raise and it was getting very difficult. I could tell I wasn't doing very well, not with sobriety but with my health. It was just time that we couldn't continue on.

Sobriety absolutely has to be put first. Never mind what someone else can do and still stay sober. If I can't do it, I can't do it, and I have to be willing to put sobriety first no matter what. It's not easy, but it has to become the first priority in my life. I didn't make it till the end of his life for that 15 years on my own power. My Higher Power got me there and He got me there sober but I had had to put sobriety first. I couldn't come to the spot where I was praying, "I can't make it any longer sober, God, so please do that for me" and expect God to do that. All I could do was keep working my program for me and not so I could hang in there till he got sober so I could help and inspire him to get sober so I'd have what I wanted---a sober and blissful long marriage.

I don't know if I'm explaining myself right, but what I'm trying to share is that our focus has to remain on ourselves, our Higher Power and our own sobriety. And for no other reason than that we want to stay sober. Period.



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Hi Guys,


Many thanks to everyone for your replies.. I got alot from every single reply.. it was good to hear that I was not alone and although some relationships worked out and some didnt.. the overall message from each one was what I needed to hear!! 

I never thought of al-non!   I will deffo start going to meetings :O) 

As you guys have said.. soberity is key.   I was not putting my own soberity first but lately I have been getting more and more meetings so that I could get me back to "ME" ... it has really helped so much..

The relationship ended and as a result my partner got the kick he needed and finally asked for the help.  He has been attending Recovery Inc meetings so he can get a handle on his depression/defects (insecurity, anger etc).   AA has kept him away from drink but mentally he needed more help - there are trained docs there so at least others will be qualified to help him.  He has also got many more AA meetings and has openly admitted that he is a dry drunk so he is getting extra support as well from members.. whatever happens thereafter I am not going to worry about, if it has to end, it has to, if it works out its a bonus.

His soberity is NO longer my issue, its his.. The advice given, "let go".. I have done... (I have let go and let god) .. also I am back saying the serenity prayer (alot more now)!

I was getting complacement in meetings and as a result of this, I'm back at more meetings enjoying them, learning all over again... as you all have said, I need to look after number 1... smile I've learnt from the wise replies that I really need to get a sponsor. (I had one up until a year ago)

Thank you all so much for your help!



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Hi sandy, thanks for following up, we do care and wanted to know hear how it turned out for you. Glad that it's worked out for the best for all concerned. You can't go wrong by putting your sobriety first. smile.gif

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