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Attention, DEPRESSED alcoholics!


Hi all!  I'm actually posting something in an attempt to help others instead of myself for once... what a concept. ;)

So out of the blue, someone asked me to meet with him.  I had no idea what it was about, but since he was late I started making a list that I'd been thinking of doing regarding my beliefs about my depression.  I had been reading a book about challenging your beliefs and putting new ones in their place.

When he finally got there, and we were talking, I discovered that he had the exact same problem as I did and he identified with every single thing on my list.  It occurred to me that in the same way we alcoholics are helped when we help other alcoholics, I might be helped with my own depression by helping another depressed person.

So anyway, here's my list of limiting beliefs about depression, followed by a new set of beliefs to try out.  I'll start off by just reading them to myself every morning and see where it leads.  Feel free to try 'em yourself or add your own!

 

LIMITING BELIEFS ABOUT DEPRESSION:

 

I can stay sober without solving my problem with depression.

I am powerless to solve my problem with depression.

God / my Higher Power can't or won't help me with depression.

A.A. can't help me with my depression.

Affirmations don't work.

Books won't / don't help me.

A gratitude list won't help me -- maybe short term, but not long term.

I've tried and failed.  I'll always fail so why try.

Depression is just a part of my personality.

I have A.D.D. which makes it impossible for me to focus.  This means my life will always be somewhat chaotic and disorganized.

The world is too overwhelming for me.

I have Seasonal Affective Disorder and can't afford treatment.

I can't maintain a healthy diet and exercise program for very long.

If I am not depressed, I won't be myself anymore -- I'll be someone else.

People won't trust me if I change.

I will not be able to handle the reactions from people if I change.

I will lose friends if I change my way of thinking.

I'll look weak or less manly if I change my negative personality.

I don't want to be like those overly optimistic people who annoy me.

Optimistic people are unrealistic.

I like being a grumpy / pessimistic person. People like my personality.

I'll have to be more open which will make me vulnerable.

I'll just be setting myself up for a fall and I'll fall harder since I'm up higher.  Something very bad will inevitably happen, possibly something that I could have prevented by thinking pessimistically.

Life isn't worth living anyway.

I am not qualified to sponsor other people, they don't stay sober, and it won't / doesn't keep me sober or help with my depression.


(Whew, what a list!)

 

Ok, here are the NEW BELIEFS TO TRY OUT:

 

Long-term sobriety is incompatible with depression.  If I want to stay sober, I must conquer depression.

It may be possible for me to conquer depression.

If depression stands in the way of my usefulness to God or my Higher Power, He will remove this defect if I pray for it to be removed.

Many A.A. members suffer or have suffered from depression.  If I reach out to them, I may learn things that can help me conquer my depression.

Affirmations might work if I keep an open mind and try them for an extended period of time.

Books might be able to help me, and I have nothing to lose by reading them.

A gratitude list might help me, both short and long term, and I have nothing to lose by trying it.

If I keep trying different things, there's a chance that I will eventually succeed.

Depression is a mental disorder, not a personality trait.

Although I may never be completely normal, I can research and experiment with coping strategies for my A.D.D. which can greatly improve my life.

My world can be more comfortably manageable based on daily choices I make, including the choice to turn things over to a Higher Power.

I may be able to try low-cost solutions that can help me get through the winter months with less depression.

It may be possible for me to maintain a healthier diet and exercise program with the help and support of other people.

Conquering depression will not change who I am.  It will only change what I do.

The people who matter in my life will be happy that I have become a happier person, and it will not affect their trust in me.

Quitting drinking was a major change and I was able to handle the reactions from people.  It may be possible for me to handle other people's reactions if I change my depression habit.

Positive people attract positive people.  I may be able to keep my existing friends, but if some of them go away, they will be replaced with others who will be less likely to reinforce my depression.

I can be more positive and still be strong.

If I become more optimistic, I may find that other optimistic people don't annoy me as much.

I can be optimistic without being unrealistic.

I might like being a cheerful person more than being a grumpy person.  Other people might like it too.

Trusting people are happier, and studies have shown that they are not taken advantage of any more frequently than guarded people.

Optimistic people have more friends who can help them through hard times.  I can think realistically without being pessimistic, and recognize that pessimistic thinking often creates negative results for me.  Bad things will happen less frequently if I'm thinking positively.

My life may have value that I don't even realize.

I may not be the greatest person to ever work an A.A. program, but I am qualified to sponsor others with the help of my own sponsor and I'll keep getting better and more confident the more I do it.  I should keep an open mind about the possible benefits to me and others, and sponsor as many people as I can.

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Well that's it for now... good luck to me and to all the rest of you diseased-thinking nut jobs out there!

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Wow FS...Incredibly helpful to me. Thanks. I view the depression and alcoholism like two overlapping circles (Venn diagram?). There is a big chunk in the middle overlapping and I have to do extra stuff (which is fine) to keep both in check. If I don't treat one, the other is going to take me out. If I treat both...all things get better. The last one hit me big time cuz I am at the point where I could sponsor someone and have the exact same thought which is "I have nothing to give" when in fact that is really wrong. I might also add I have the illogical belief that because I know cognitive behavioral therapy and the theory and practice it with my clients that it doesn't work for me. This is also not true cuz my negative and pessimistic thinking is the result of not even trying to dispute the ideas related to depression. Another positive thought is, I have disputed all irrational ideas that I should drink for quite some time now, I would achieve the same success most likely if I applied this more globally to my entire life. It would seem that upon getting sober, Gratitude and positive thinking are not just terms that I strive for, but they are necessities which bring me closer to my higher power. I have to be that way because clinging to misery brings out all of my character defects. Either way, your post helped me feel less alone in having both of these diseases. I could check off almost all of the negative ideas as one's I've had in the past.

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Thank, I appreciate this post.

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Awesome! I was halfway through reading your first list and my bullshit-o-meter was pegged on full herd, until I saw the positive list you made, which is awesome.  This statement alone "I can't maintain a healthy diet and exercise program for very long." really got me.

Exercise is the number 1 treatment for depression. Proper Diet and sleep are probably #2 & #3. Positive affirmations and to quit bullshitting yourself are probably #4 & #5. Staying away from shameful and abusive people, places, and things #6 & #7. Give sobriety time to work #8 Pray #9 (could be number 1) and number 10, quit felling sorry for yourself or just quit thinking about yourself period) Your brain is not your friend and your best thinking got you HERE.  biggrin


-- Edited by StPeteDean on Tuesday 19th of January 2010 12:15:23 PM

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FlyingSquirrel- Thank you for this thread! Depression isn't approached with the same urgency as the obvious problem of alcoholism or addiction. I struggle with it immensely. Your open-mindedness is refreshing. Neg. thoughts you posted that are HUGE...

-I am powerless to solve my problem with depression
-I've tried and failed. I'll always fail so why try
-I'll look weak or less manly if I change my negative personality
-I don't want to be like those overly optimistic people who annoy me
-I'll just be setting myself up for a fall and I'll fall harder since I'm up higher.  Something very bad will inevitably happen, possibly something that I could have prevented by thinking pessimistically (pessimism + "logic"=previous sentence)

pinkchip- Did you really just say "Venn Diagram"? Hahaha...good analogy though. (Has flashbacks of Finite Math in college)

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Hi my friend,

So happy to see you and wanted to say a great big THANK YOU for taking the time and effort in reaching out to others, Kudos to you Glenn.

A low grade depression I have had my whole life, but do try in Prayer to change that the best I can.

I did however cut and paste your affirmations in a seperate file.

Just felt so good seeing you this morning - reaching out to help another alcoholic......

Hugs to you...................smileYou are the Best, and thanks for the smile you gave this little heart of mine,
Your Bud, Tonicakes


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Hi to you too Tonicakes!  I really need to start coming here more often, it really beats playing internet games.  smile.gif



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Definitely good stuff. For me I would have to put in there...take my Paxil every day!!!! Got to fix the chemical imbalance before I can have any optomistic outlook on staying sober.
I've heard so many people say that their outlook before sobriety was :  Life's a bitch and then ya die. How drastically different I am compared to when I thought that way. God is good!


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Great material for Steps 6 & 7 giving credit & ability for our power to change to the God of our own understanding, tapping into the strength of these steps & our previously untapped inner resource. I remember that of myself I am nothing & I draw on the process of these steps as I could not change by 'willing' my defects away. I can & I am willing but it is through the power of God & in His time that it works.

Thank you for sharing this great inventory with us, Glenn. Practice makes progress. I hope you can see how this work fits nicely into your program. I keep such a list next to my bed & refer to it when I pray daily. It's a great constant reminder of my liabilities & their opposites for me to practice in place of with the help of my HP. Thank you for sharing your experience, strength & hope around this today. Godbless, Danielle x


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S.-Thank you for making the list for me.  Toni-I didn't know you could copy and save inspirational posts for future reference.  I just did, thanks for the motivation to try something new!  There is a solution.

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