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Dave Harm


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Just rambling about... karma, love, and Higher Powers
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Sometimes, just by rambling I can clear up the confusion in my own mind. So where this goes I really don't know. I'll let my Higher Power guide me.

First, let me introduce you to my Higher Power. Her name is Love. And for me it is the essence of unconditional Love. This Love can be found in many different religions but isn't "owned" by just one. This is the Love of the universe.

My confusion with Love has been with a word that I keep seeing popping up on different websites and message boards I belong too. The word is Karma. A word that to me belongs specifically to me. I have my own karma, just as everyone else has their own. I was born with karma and my life has been learning how to live with it.

So there are my two parts - Karma and Love. Now if I believe that I want healthy karma then I need to respect everyone else's karma. If I want Love, then I need to show Love. If I want peace, then I need to show peace. So, if I believe this then is the opposite also true? If I want hate, do I show hate? Of course not, who wants hate?

So can karma be negative? Would I want karma if it filled me with hate and thoughts of revenge, if I knew it would come back at me? Even if I'm waiting for a negative karma to flow back to an evil-doer, am I not in fact waiting for that negative karma to also flow back to me.

And if I believe in unconditional Love, how can I have any feelings toward hateful karma? They can't co-exist, at least in my mind. And if I have those hateful revenge seeking thoughts that I can not be in touch with my Higher Power - Love.

Like I said, just some rambling thoughts. To me karma is the way of the universe. If I say that I'm in touch with Karma, yet pray that Love seeks revenge, then I don't have either. I guess I just can't see how they can co-exist. If I have a strong relationship with Love, then I can't have negative karma.

I guess the best definition I can think of with negative karma would be a professional victim. Thanks for listening to my own confusion.

 



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It does not sound like confusion to me. It actually sounds like what my vision of a higher power is morphing into slowly over time. I stated in another thread that I came into AA thinking that God was a force that keeps everything in balance, but God doesn't care about me. This is slowly changing...what helps is the notion that if God does keep everything in balance, then I can tap into that or allow it to flow into me. If I do that, then God is there to keep me in balance also. From what I understand, the BB is based on lots of input from Karl Jung. What you are speaking of sounds like the concept of Archetypes. This type of philosophy also seems consistent with many eastern religions (taoism, bhuddism and native american one)... I'm thinking you know this already also. Anyhow, I get what you are saying. It's hard to put words to thoughts/philosophies that are so encompassing. I guess it doesn't matter what religion or theology it compares to... Dave Harmism is all that you need to understand right? I'm glad you share it with us.

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Dave, I think I understand you. As pinkchip said, "It's hard to put words to thoughts/philosophies that are so encompassing."

For me, Love is an ideal and karma is a condition. They can compliment or contradict each other-- sometimes both. Does that make any sense?

My Higher Power is multi-faceted and a good symbol of it would be a rainbow. There are distinctly different colors, but they blend into each other. Also, a rainbow is greater than the sum of its parts.

My HP includes Love, Life, the Cosmos(or Nature), Truth, and Goodness. Sometimes I am fully in touch with all of my Higher Power. On most days, however, one particular "color" dominates my being more than the others. Depends on many things.

Out of convenience, I often use the word GOD. It's an acronym for Good Orderly Direction and it sums up my HP rather well.

Thanks for letting me share.



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