OK, so after asking my son twice if he wants to come for a visit and he being 10 yrs old and not sure what to say to his mother, I take a different route. This is our first visit in 10 months. People at work are killing themselves laughing because they see her bitterness everyday in the community. They see her antics, and then see me at work. And marvel at the difference. She has everything, and more now. Yet I am happier. The following e-mails demonstrate the latest exchange, the note I sent is the first one, the second is her response in bold. Someone said she must have been drunk when she wrote it 'agreed upon that he agrees with you' ? WTF does that mean ? Is that bitterness I am reading or what exactly is that ? Any ideas ? Regardless, I finally get my boy, YAHOOOOOOO
E-mail I sent; I am looking to have ***** for a visit on Oct. 10, 11, or 12. Minutes from the last case conference state visitation is to have begun by Oct.15 / 09 Please provide a date so I can make plans.
The ex's response; I have spoke to ***** and maybe it is something you should actually talk to him about but it has been agreed upon that he agrees with you it will be Monday October 12th, 2009 you pick him up at home at 11:00 am and return him back home at 2:00 pm. We will see how that goes!
-- Edited by mstrmsn66 on Saturday 3rd of October 2009 05:47:25 PM
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Well according to your not to her, about the court setting up three days, October 10, 11, and 12, right.
But in her email back to you she only mentions ONE Day, not three,
Ok copied what she wrote back to you:
I have spoke to ***** and maybe it is something you should actually talk to him about but it has been agreed upon that he agrees with you it will be Monday October 12th, 2009 you pick him up at home at 11:00 am and return him back home at 2:00 pm. We will see how that goes!
October 10th is on a Saturday, then 11th, being Sunday, but she only referred to the one day of the 12th, Monday, and you picking him up at ll:00 and returning him at 2:00. Is that correct?? She certainly does sound like she is very controlling, to say the Least, yicks, like she has agreed to loan you her lawn Mover or some other Object. Maybe she is coming from total jealousy as to your Boy being so excited to see you. Not your problem.
In this Country, the Courts look at Costody cases, and maybe I already said this, they really dont put too much emphasis on what you or she wants, on what is in the "Child's Best Interest".
Have you gone to Court, and done this battle, hope so, and when it is set, then it is as good as being written in the LAW Inself, have to go back to Court, in this country, to even Modify any changes, no matter how minute.
Do you have a Stong Attorney represented you and looking out after what you want and especially in how much you want to share in the Custody of your Son.
Just a question, if you live relatively close, like in the same area, have you not asked for all week ends, or every other week end. When the children are under 12, again, in this Country they are considered minors too young to have a voice, but here, after a child turn 12s years old, the Courts view his opinions on who he wants as the Primary Custodial parent, and the Court almost always allows that to happen.
Please let us know what is up with that 3 days being reduced to 1, don't think she made a typo, right.
Anyway, stay in touch, I am very curious about what just appears to be a deviation from the 3 days.
Ok, enough out of me today, Toodles, Toni
PS, Just re-read that note from the court, and it was TO BE just one of the three days mentioned, right.
Oh well, rather than delete this entire response I will let it stand. sorry, I was the one that did not get it really straight, I think. again, toodles
-- Edited by Just Toni on Saturday 3rd of October 2009 06:27:17 PM
your email asks for only one day- "I am looking to have ***** for a visit on Oct. 10, 11, or 12." If you wanted three days it should've read 10th-12th or 10th, 11th, AND 12th. So I guess you got what you asked for.
I agree with Dean - "or" is the key word here. With my divorce I learned in a hurry to ask exactly what I wanted because if I left any door open for miscommunication it always came back to bite me.
One thing I learned being an alcoholic going through a divorce with a raving co-dependent was to never create triangles of communication. If I needed to talk to the ex - I talked to her.. If I needed to talk to the kids, I talked to them.
She was a master of putting them in the middle of our discussions and they'd end up in a no win situation...
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She has custody due to my constant shift changes. I will not get him for 3 days, this is the first time in 10 months I've seen him. Dave has summed it up very well, pretty well bang on. I was told by the judge and lawyers to start slowly with phone calls, then work up to a visit. I'm cool with the time and all, that was not the issue. I wanted to know if anyone else sees the anger in her words. Never mind custody, court, etc, and what does 'agreed upon that he agrees with you' mean ?
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Hey Scott, I went through it as well. My son was 2 when his mother and I parted which was also the beginning of my sobriety. I was fortunate enough to have been awarded "joint custody" and had a well defined liberal visitation schedule. I never missed visitation and was never late on support payments for the 11 years following. At 13 yo my son came to live with current wife and I. The best advice I can give you is to make it as uneventful as possible. Ignore her bickering and eventually she'll grow tired of being the only one doing it. A sign that I had a successful time at this was evidenced by the lack of any further involvement of the court, never had any contact with any social services telling me what to do. I've got to admit that my x-wife never tried to keep me from seeing my son though.
Scott, I don't think this is a bad deal for a first visit after 10 months. In my experience (in UK remember) many estranged parents are allowed only supervised access for quite some time, increasing the amount of time gradually, and the supervision is usually done by social workers in their offices, so to start with 3 hours to spend with him on your own is good.
It's just a start, and I am sure it will progress to having weekend stayovers, but take it easy, everything happens in Gods time right? I know many members with quite long sobriety who still don't see their kids, so use this as a starting point and build bridges slowly.
Hope you enjoy the day. This Monday coming I believe?
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