Hi all, I'm new to the forums... 2.5 years sober, 1 year into AA, trying my best to manage this crazy life. Currently working on a Step 5 with my sponsor.
I need guidance on how to deal with anger. I've read some good posts here about that (you can read 'em too if you use the search function). There seems to have been some lively debate at some point in time.
I am taking issue with AA's stance on anger. I've long been influenced by a line of thought (which is more in codependancy, Adult Child of Alcoholic literature) that the healthy thing for us to do is to "get out" our anger (not to say I've ever had much success at it). "Healthy people", people with "boundaries" and such, these people recognize anger and deal with issues constructively. This is the ideal in my mind-- again not to say I've done anything toward it, though I certainly criticize myself according to it. "Unhealthy people", of whom I am one, don't seem to do anything to deal with anger... they don't value their anger and they just seem to sit on it. Others go on in life "doing stuff"... and others, like myself, just float through life, doing nothing, or having stuff done to them.
"Unhealthy people" look like total freaks to "healthy people", who can spot them from a mile away. For the reason that they are known just to let situations go on and on, not take any action to resolve them, and are walked on by the "healthy" people. Regarding the anger of "unhealthy people", there is also the idea (which in me is a very strong fear), that they will eventually "blow up"... "go postal". They will blow up and reap destructive effects in their lives; to which the "healthy people" will reply, "I saw THAT coming!". I am afraid of this because I'm like, "shouldn't I be making changes here... why, and HOW can I be enduring these intolerable situations without DOING anything?".
I am frustrated with a lot of things in my life. I wrote to an AA member today and perhaps expressed some things which may be causing that. I haven't really felt the same since quitting drinking, having the "moment of clarity" or whatever. All in all I feel really... well, impotent is a word that comes to mind. I swear I had more energy before, more energy, more optimism, more strength perhaps. I am a lot more of a depressive than most people in AA, and I was hoping for AA's help to get out from that. At the point when I quit drinking, I had accepted total powerlessness, and from that I started just going along with life, with the idea that God was with me from then on. Shortly thereafter (maybe a week or so) I felt my energy level drop off considerably (I remember this because I was a teacher and I had to halve my workload). And I haven't quite got it back. AA says it's due to my spiritual maladies.
I was hoping that AA could help with that, give me more of the "spark" I would need to recapture former energy levels. I get these energy levels every now and then, and when I do I am in more danger of drinking. To be honest I got involved with AA more for that reason as opposed for quitting drinking (I guess I had figured that I was in a position of neutrality against booze as it was).
I take issue with AA's advice to "pray" to remove anger because God can't really remove anything. If you have figured that your problems have come from not doing enough, from "turning the other cheek" or whatever, of course you're not going to like this advice. Action needs to be taken... but how? It seems like I've been "doing nothing" in my life for quite some time. I had the idea that recovery would liberate me and help me get more of what I want out of life... learn how to MAKE CHANGES. Im not so sure. I've basically turned my life over to AA and other than getting a good knowledge of spiritual principles, my life is the duds.
I would like God's help to deal with life more effectively, enact the changes or what have you... I don't want to go repressing anything, because as the shrinks will say, that will just come out and bite you in the butt. I am afraid too others can see how repressed I am and that scares them... obviously I must be scaring people, I just feel like I'm recieved as a freak most of the time. I really feel like a freak... like I'm on a totally different wavelength. And then on top of it I'm supposed to PRAY when angry... more inaction? That just makes me more of a nut!! Isn't getting out the anger out the thing I should be doing?
None of this makes sense I'm sure... but whatever thoughts you have are appreciated.
I think when people treat you like crap they deserve to know it. If someone walks up to me and slaps me, I doubt I'm going to just say "I resented that, but I'll pray for you." I think it's about the next right action and we just don't necessarily have control over others' reactions. As far as being angry about things...the state of the economy...corruption...evil in the universe...Well, of course that's normal, but what's the point being angry about it when we can't do anything about it?
I'm basically more the depressive than the angry person as well and I've been saying for months that codependency now seems to be as much or a greater struggle than drinking (I think I just forgot how bad an active drunk I was). Either way, you don't want to give away all your power to others to make you "feel" anything I guess. This is never going to be a full reality though because people piss us off and let us down all the time. I just try and own my part, think about if I told them their part...Would they listen?...Would it hurt me to tell them?...Would it just hurt them and make things worse?...Would they change it if they knew?...then I decide whether or not to take action on anger and do so with assertiveness. It's hard to know the difference between being assertive and aggressive. If you are like me in having a hard time expressing anger at people, you feel like being assertive is really aggressive when actually it isn't. I guess the key is to take sublte action when the resentments are small and not let them grow into festering wounds. Also, about god removing anger...Well the step says admitted to self, god, and another person right? I think the other person (sponsor) usually is in there for a reason. Just hearing that person say "Damn that would piss me off too" or even them just understanding why it made you angry is a big relief a lot of the time and that way you aren't repressing it anymore and you didn't fly off the hinge without owning your part of it first.
It would be nice if everyone walked around doing self inventories and making ammends for their wrong doings, but not everyone has this program. I haven't worked this step formally yet but I kinda figure, after I own my part, if the person is still acting like an A-hole, it's on them and I do a much better job just ignoring them or accepting that their life must suck to treat everyone so bad...then I can let it go somewhat. Anyhow, you aren't a freak at all Cash, I think I understand this struggle. You are actually gifted to be more aware of your own defects than others are aware of theirs. To a degree that is a gift because you treat people more kindly and with more benefit of the doubt. I guess it is just critical to remember that when you "try and keep your house clean" that there are many more others out there still living in dirty houses and that's okay. Just glad I'm not them. Being depressed sucks, but it's a whole lot better than being an A-hole in the large scheme of things.
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I posted this a couple years ago. And there is also a couple articles that I and others posted about anger if use the search function, you'll find pages.
Dealing with ANGER
Dealing with Anger
"The most heated bit of letter-writing can be a wonderful safety valve," AA confounder Bill W. said, "providing the wastebasket is somewhere nearby."
This is a delightful bit of advice about the right way to handle anger. Writing an angry letter is at least a way of bringing our feelings out so that we can see them. This is far healthier than the peculiar method of "stuffing" one's feelings and pretending that there was no hurt or offense.
But an angry letter, once mailed, can be more destructive than a bullet. We may live to regret ever having mailed it. It could have unintended consequences of the worst kind.
That's why the wastebasket becomes the second handy way to deal with our anger. We throw the letter away and let time and wisdom heal the matter. What usually happens under the guidance of our Higher Power is that we find a much more satisfactory way of settling whatever has happened.
If I become angry today, I'll admit it to myself. Perhaps I'll even put my feelings on paper. But I'll have the good sense not to go further with such outbursts.
******from the book "walk in dry places"
great topic. I did use letters to address some serious resentments in early recovery and it was very effective, but later noticed a pattern, that usually when I was having trouble with one person, I was having trouble with several. My first sponsor used to pound me with the "spiritual axiom" every time I tried to tell him about "what so and so did..."
" "Anger that we feel justified in holding on to because of the circumstances. According to the Big Book, there is no justification for remaining angry about anything. Often we 'justify' the anger so we don't have to look at ourselves and our own part in creating it. The Twelve and Twelve reminds us, 'It is a spiritual axiom that every time we are disturbed, no matter what the cause, there is something wrong with us. If somebody hurts us and we are sore, we are in the wrong also. But are there no exceptions to this rule' What about 'justifiable' anger? If somebody cheats us, aren't we entitled to be mad' Can't we be properly angry with self-righteous folk? For us of AA, these are dangerous exceptions. We have found that justified anger ought to be left to those better qualified to handle it. Anger, though inevitable on occasion, should be felt and then released as soon as possible lest it turn into a resentment. When someone offends, we should say to ourselves 'this is a sick person, too. How can I be helpful?' "
So I set about trying to avoid anger (not deny the feeling) by several methods, and these have served me well. My serenity is very valuable to me and I guard it carefully. Also being a 40 something yo man, Anger will shorten my life.
1.) I avoid dysfunctional people, honestly the red flags are everywhere if you look for them. Just run away from them, even if they are family run away for a minute, or an hour. Avoid negative people, and don't let them call you and dump on you. I noticed that after I let people do that, I get angry.
2.) I try to interpret what people are saying in the best possible light (turn off the victim filter that tries to make something out of nothing)
3.) Give people the "benefit of the doubt" (see #2) most things are said or done through omission rather than commission, or self centered-ness. People aren't staying up at night trying to figure out how to piss me off, they're just self centered, insensitive, or raised with no manners. I just say to myself "pitty they were born that way or raised that way they can't seem to help themselves" and I don't waste negative energy on them.
4.) I end conversations or communication way before they get out of hand. It's very clear when a conversation is escalating to an emotional level. In person the body language appears with the rolling of the eyes and head shaking. At that point don't re-iterate just say "let's agree to disagree" and end it.
5.) I cut people off in mid-sentence when they are about to make a stinging derogatory remark. It's very tempting to want to hear what someone, who is being negative, has to say about you. I think it's because of our self-centered-ness and false pride. But don't let that person spell out those negative remarks about you. That stuff will eat you up for days. We don't need negative validation, we got enough of that stuff from our parents and that's probably why we are attracted to it. So when you hear those verbal cues like "well you're just a..." or "you know what?..." just interupt them mid-sentence and say "this conversation is over" or "It's not a good time to talk about this" or "tell it to someone who cares".
6.) What other people think about you is none of your business, unless it's positive and they care to share it with you. Don't look for gossip about yourself. Their opinion is simply that.
7.) Don't take constructive criticism to heart. If someone is trying to give you advise they obviously care about you or they wouldn't go to the trouble to think about you or approach you.
8.) Don't mistake humor for a personal attack. This is a tough one because everyone is so sarcastic these days (worst offender is myself). I just blow it off and recognize the persons attempt to be funny and Usually just throw a one liner back at 'em. If it's a little too off color, I just say "that wasn't nice or funny" and usually the person will concede.
9.) "Pick your battles". Don't go around bumping heads with everyone over everything. Dale Carneigie said "yield on matters that are of little concern to you". Most of the stuff people bicker about is not important. Don't bring up issues on "general principal", let it go for the benefit of your serenity.
10.) Own your feelings! Nobody can piss you off but You. It's our reaction to other people or things that disturbs us. We can choose to Let it go. "I'm going to pretend that I didn't see that". I am not an Alarm that goes off every time I see something that is wrong. This is not stuffing feelings, it's preventing them. Remember "feelings are not facts" they are reactionary emotions. If you choose not to react then you can choose not to have those negative feelings.
Sobriety hasn't gotten rid of my anger but it has helped me use it in a constructive way. In the past, I'd keep my mouth shut and it would build up in me until it exploded into rage. Today, I let go of it as soon as I get it. I don't want it so I let it go.
Prayer does work. My first two years of sobriety I was involved in the court systems and had a social worker constantly breathing down my neck. She was constantly on my mind and quickly became my Higher Power. So I prayed for her. Not once or twice a day - but a lot. Every time she entered my mind I prayed. And I wouldn't stop praying until she was cleared from my thoughts.
There were days where I would pray for a couple of hours straight just trying to get her out of my thoughts. Over and over again, I'd say The Lord's Prayer, The Serenity Prayer, 3rd Step Prayer, 7th Step Prayer, and the 11th Step Prayer. It does work. By the end of those two years, that social worker went from being a thorn in my side to a good friend. One that I still have till this day.
For me, there are two things to remember when dealing with anger and resentment.
First - expectations are the forerunner to resentments. So don't expect anything and accept everything.
Second - when I am angry, I need to ask myself why. Because for me anger is nothing more then fear turned inside out. So what am I sacred of?
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I can't get long on the subject because today after all the ESH and guidance from sponsors, others in program and the program itself...I handle anger with acceptance. Some of the reasons are posted here and most of my anger is because someone or something isn't going the way I want it. Resentment is handled with forgiveness...unconditional and quick. Some of the reasons are also posted here by others and resentment is also about my pride and ego.
I don't believe that I mentioned it too many times that I hated feeling anger and resentment. There are heavy and spirit killing emotions and I had had enough!! My sponsor told me that If I didn't like what I was getting from holding resentments and exercising anger...why not do the opposite and earn the opposite. The opposite of anger (for me) is acceptance. It turns anger off immediately and I hold on to joy and serenity. The opposite of resentment (for me) is forgiveness and I get to unburden my shoulders with the weight of people I make important because they outpowered me. I also let go of the a multiple of events I never had any control over in the first place, before during or after. When I forgive I also let go of fear of being without some one to blame for my lack of responsibility for my own condition.
That's kinda the short of it. Congradulations on the time and work and keep coming back (((((hugs)))))
As far as anger managment goes, I have found that not drinking has made me a more positive person. When I get angry I calm myself down by doing some deep breathing exercises. I also have found prayer and meditation helpful.
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Nice posts guys, but I think I'm dealing with something bigger than that...
I think it's existential... I turned 30 this year, I really hate where my life is, what I've done with it. I hate everything about myself. I live this ultra-organized bleepin life, I work as financial clerk in this office mostly with women, I'm a parsnickity, reserved pent-up anal-retentive person, when that was not what I intended for myself at all, I'm living in a prison of my own making, I feel powerless to get a new job or change my life or even try to be recieved by others in a different way, I'm depressed, nobody in AA can help, my sponsor wants me to pray to get rid of my anger which obviously doesn't work, I have terribly social anxiety, my f~~~~~~~~ landlady lives downstairs and I have to see her all the time even though I feel and act like a nervous 5 year old around her, she knows that I'm a mess, I don't care what my sponsor says about "we alcoholics think the worst, I KNOW the worst, I KNOW what I know and f=== you if you want to take that away from me", I haven't gotten laid in years, there's absolutely no f~~~~~ hope of a relationship because I'm so screwed up an individual who can't be trusted to stay sober while dating, I'm a screw up, my promise of my early 20s and my university education has petered out into a nothing, people shit on me, people don't raise me up, I can't be assertive to save my life, I'd buy a gun and end it but I'm too much of a coward, I'd pull a gun on someone else but I'm too much of a pacifist, every possible thing I have to write don't do s===, "write out your feelings" don't do shit, I want to destroy the walls of my apartment but then I'll have to f===== ANSWER to my landlady about it, how can I get some release, there is NO WAY, sobriety means NO WAY to get a RELEASE, I turned into a parsnickity bookish a-hole who doesn't even like reading, I transformed myself into this monster because I was running from my past, I'm totally insane, something has really gotta change I'm going f~~~~~~ crazy.
Nothing works. All I have is this f===== little computer so I can clatter out all this stuff, and not a person in the world to tell my troubles to, as if I wouldn't want to go to the bar and find somebody to talk to! NOBODY understands, except maybe other drunkards in their cups. And the doctors, they just want to f======= medicate me! And how can I argue with them... just avoid them so they can't forcefeed me the drugs!!! They are f=====.
I hate it, I hate everything, there is no hope. If I go to my homegroup I'm too depressed to be received well there... homegroup is full of a bunch of stupid alpha-male type drunkards the kind of which I never felt comfortable around anyway. What is my fate? I have to join them?? Is that my salvation?
I gotta go to work tomorrow, go to bed early, nice little frigging organized life, and nothing can change, nothing can change in an of myself, my money's running out and I'm powerless to get a new job, that even pays me a living wage, I'm powerless to make any changes in my life. I gave my life to God when I got sober, he is providing but only as long as my money holds, he is making me crazy in the meantime, he's not giving me what I want, he's not putting me in touch with my power, he's trapping me, he's not letting me be a man... and nobody in AA can pull me out of that, they just say "do the Steps", my problem is not alcoholism at all it's not being able to DO STUFF.
GOD DOES F=all... there is no god to pick me up, to provide me a good job, if I do all that is asked of me he doesn't make it better, in fact at this rate he's just making me go postal, I'm like a voice screaming alone in the wilderness, and not a one can understand and make it better or direct me in what to do... my father wasn't there, nobody was there to guide and direct me, I just had to figure all this out?? Why the hell did I ever think that sobriety would make it better, some family hero I turned out to be, family dud more like it, still without a roadmap and going insane, unable to bring people into my life to share my troubles with. And now what I'm made of my life is a sham, nothing, an absolute nothing that is worse than hell.
Cash, there is lots that I'd like to say, but it seems like you've got it all figured out that you're f***** and so is everyone one else. There a few things that you've left on the table. One is that you haven't questioned your own thinking, but rather rely on it, and two that we obviously can change ourselves one piece at a time. We can start over anytime that we want. Take your work for example. You believe that the people that you work with are accustomed to seeing you act in a certain manner and therefore you're "trapped" into that persona. That's bull****. You can decide to join the human race anytime you'd like. Get a copy of Dale Carneige's "how to win friends and influence people". I had to read that and his other book "How to quit worrying and start living", for a sales course, which is another one that you probably could use.
I've been right where you're at, thinking that everyone else thinks that I'm an @$$hole and that there is no hope of changing their mind. All I did was look around and pick someone that I thought was a nice person and emulated them. (The AA program is based on duplication of others work and subsequent results) People respond quickly to kindness and friendliness. I remember, in early sobriety, praying to be a nice person. Mostly I just needed to use the golden rule and keep my mouth shut if I didn't have something nice to say. And not take anything personally.
Did you mean to say that you are working on your 4th step, with your sponsor? The 5th step is done in one evening. I'd suggest getting it over with and moving on to steps 6 and 7.
You're putting a lot of stress on yourself (not anyone else is doing it). I took a couple classes on stress relief and still practice deep breathing exercises. I used to have S.A.D before there was a term for it. I called it the same thing that you do the "I hate everyone and everyone hates me" disorder and had panic attacks regularly, although I didn't realize that's what they were, to me I was just mad as hell and felt like I was going to jump out of my skin. People kept telling me that it was my disease just trying to get me to drink and I believe that. When I looked at it that way, I was able to try and deny my disease that opportunity to manipulate me. The big thing for me was realizing that my perceptions of myself and the world around me were horribly inaccurate and I was victimizing myself, setting myself up for failure, sabotaging my success, and perpetuating my own abandonment because I was unwilling to listen to others and change my behavior. I heard a lot of people say "Drop the rock" and others would say "But it's my rock", doesn't matter "Drop the rock". Let go of it and let your authentic self come back out. "We had to let go of our old ideas Absolutely". What do you suppose that means?
It's good to know it's normal... about wanting to jump out of your skin. And that it's the disease in operation... well I will process that and come back to read your posts again over the next few days. Will post again.
Cash
PS. Yeah, I meant Step 5 all right, I had written so much for Step 4 that it's taking several sessions to get through the 5.
Well Get-r-done. Being stuck in step 5 is likely half of what bugging you right now and a dangerous place to be alcoholically speaking. Get that finished tonight if you can, so that you can feel good about letting all that stuff go. It's not going to be an active part of you anymore. After awhile, and all the good changes that are going to be happening for you, you'll look back at that stuff and it'll feel like it happened to someone else, or a movie that you watched. After all this time, It just doesn't seem like it was me that did that stuff because I almost completely changed into a new person, that I really like today.