I love my sponsor. She's my friend. She's loved me when I couldn't love myself. She's given me wonderful suggestions. But something has happened as of late.... She was sober for 8 yrs, went back out for 8 yrs and has been back the last 4. She and I have much in common, i.e. single mothers, hard workers, we both come from VERY screwed up homes. I identify with her on almost every level. I say almost because I'm finding she spends most of her time lately gossiping about other AA's. Well, not so much gossiping, but talking about. Things like how 'silly' so in so's share was. She's puts personalities before principals. I know we're not perfect, I know our sponsors are just as sick as we are, but aren't they supposed to be good examples. She puts great value on money. It defines her. Money is nice, but it does not motivate me, so we differ on that aspect. She's retired, but has continued to be a consultant she says so she can 'pay for the vacation house, leave her only child a huge inheritence, buy for the family, etc, etc'. She's been married to an AA with 20+ yrs of sobriety for the last 12-15 yrs (I'm not sure exactly) and she prides herself on the fact that she makes more money than he does. THINGS are so important to her. And although having things are nice, it does not define who I am. Lately the only time she wants to 'sponsor' is when she disagrees with me or thinks I should or should not do a particular thing or I should be 'careful' of getting too close to another AA (ones she doesn't even know b/c she doesn't make a lot of meetings).........She's been gone on a work related trip for 2 weeks so I've not spent any time with her. I got to spend about 3 hours with her yesterday & she never (and I mean never) stopped talking! She would ask me a question and then interupt me with her own take on it and her 'experience' took 20 minutes to get to the point! ....... I have discovered she no longer has a sponsor. Her's died last yr and although she asked a lady, she does not call this woman, she does not spend time with this woman, she does not allow herself to be a sponsee......I love her, dearly, but am thinking I may be better with finding another sponsor and just being her co-AA and friend..... Suggestions? ES&H?
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Ill share some of my experience, why, just last night, a couple of people after the meeting started talking about another AA member and I just dont think its appropriate, I am pretty sure its mentioned somewhere in the big book, not to gossip about others, anyway, they went on a bit and looked at me and I said, gee, I really dont like to talk about members when they arent here.Sure, its human to observe the behaviour of others, but this AA program is about observing and working on OUR stuff. Heres the thing, I want the freedom to me, I drank for all those years because I didnt feel worthy enough, to just be me.So now, that I am sober and comfortable in my own skin, I have the freedom to be me.Its very important that allow everyone else the freedom to be themselves, whatever that may be.
As to the money issue, before I got truly sober, I tried to fill my God Shaped Hole, with all kinds of things, especially money.I was more focused on money than my AA program.Working the program, one day at time, has helped me experience one of the promises mentioned on page 83-84, fear of economic insecurity will leave us.In the past, I spent a lot of time thinking about how I would spend my money, when I hit my bottom and ran out of money, I discovered that working the AA spiritual program is much more full-filling than counting and spending money.Whew.Best thing that could have ever happened to me.
As to a sponsor who doesnt make a lot of meetings, well, no comment.
Hope this helps, Jen, you deserve someone who has developed the skill to listen without interrupting you, thats what good sharing and listening is all about, yeah?
A valuable gift of an AA group is trust. We share our ES&H with the belief, that when a meeting is over that "what we said there, who we saw there, let it stay there, when we left there."
If that bond is broken because of gossip a group is in trouble. My favorite group has quite a wide variety of people and I love them a lot. If that trust was broken it would break my heart in two because I couldn't be a part of them anymore.
My own sanity and sobriety couldn't handle those "games."
In my early days I had a sponsor who helped me through the early jitters. But I got to a point that I needed more. I shared with him my thoughts and he basically said that my sobriety should be my top priority. I found a new sponsor who took me to the next plateau. While the original sponsor became a best friend.
I shouldn't be surprised that I see the same thing written by you that I experienced. At different times in my sobriety, I noticed different things about my sponsors that led me to look for a new sponsor. I had outgrown my sponsor or my sponsor had relapsed. A few times I had talked to my sponsor and she worked on the issue, (not that I'm always right, but in that case I was), and it ceased to be an issue.
Different people had different things to teach me, and rather than limit myself to being taught by one person, (I haven't been lucky enough to find all that I need to learn coming from one person...), soon, there was someone else to learn from. I didn't "FIRE" my sponsor, but I explained that there was an opportunity for me to learn with someone else and that I needed to do that for my recovery. I kept my friendship with my sponsor and we are still friends today.
I felt it was important to keep a sponsor who had what I wanted, not only in sober & clean time, but also in spiritually and actions. I knew they weren't always going to be "perfect". I knew though, if they were truly working a program, they would see their own errs and try to make amends quickly.
Perhaps you've outgown your sponsor? Or you have learned from her that which you were meant to learn?
Love & Hugs, Stephanie
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Sounds all good, the advice you have gotten here, Doll. Really proud of you, by the way. You are awesome, and I am so glad you are here. The world needs a few more Dolls, in my humble opinion. :o)
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gday doll, peter from adelaide south australia here, if your sponsor is not living up to the standards that they preached to you in the beginning and you can remember very well what they said then and what they are saying now, then i would actually use there own words of past encouragement to you to help raise them up out of their own mire. a sponsor is as weak as the rest of us here and there and sometimes the best person to reach them is actually the person being sponsored, it looks to me like your sponsor is just going through a hard time , remember a sponsor also has a SPONSOR, who also has a sponsor, a sponsors major role is to keep private info away from sensitive ears and hand it to GOD, and most people who think about becoming sponsors in the first place ,think hard about the decision without a doubt before becoming one. how ever we are only as stong as we think, if you dont have the ability to counsel your sponsor, and your allowed to, then dont share with them any heart felt stuff for a period until they bounce back to the caring person you first met. if it realy looks as though they are missing the mark then talk with there sponsor , if you know who it is, or pass the info on to your home group leader, or a central service officer, of AA in your city, you would be surprised, you may be saving them from a bust. cheers peter.
Hi Doll, I am sorry to hear this for you. This lady sounds like she is gearing up toward relapse. Just because some people put down the alcohol does not mean they are sober.
I feel you got a lot of great advice here. Sponsors are only human also and even though they may have more time with no alcohol does not mean they are any stronger than we who only have a short time.
It is a day at a time for us all and what we chose to feel and do for that day is all relative to where we are in our lives. She sounds like she is talking out of her head and not her spirit. I feel it shows that she is in trouble some how.
You may be her angel to keep her from using. But at the same time you sound like you are in need for someone to be there for you. It really helps to have that. Take care Rosie