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It's all about experience. I've learnt that I must try to identify in what is written in Big Book about the real alcoholic to see if there is necessary to take these Steps. This topic is provoked by other topic about alcoholism and drinking problem, so I decided to write some words about it.

So, let's start. It is necessary for me to use paragraphs from the Big Book. Identification is real needed, because I must know my condition and to know what to do about it.

It is written:

"Men and women drink essentially because they like the effect produced by alcohol. (I've always liked what alcohol does for me - the sense of ease and comfort - talking with people, dancing, smiling, communicating, of course the "genious ideas" that comes, the sense of power, but I didn't like that I got drunk, without memory of last night and all stupid and scary things that I do when I am drunk) The sensation is so elusive that, while they admit it is injurious, they cannot after a time differentiate the true from the false . To them, their alcoholic life seems the only normal one (I couldn't imagine how I will live without alcohol - I did everything with alcohol - going to work, going to university, studing, having boyfriends - sex). They are restless, irritable and discontented (untreated alcoholism with this condition how I should live without alcohol? I am dying in depression, restlessness, I am irritable, hating everyone, lonely, no one wants to be close to me, because there is option to kill someone, because of his/her mistakes that make), unless they can again experience the sense of ease and comfort (this is it the effect (which long ago disappear, but I hoped to comes back again)  the effect to get rid of this condition where I am restless, bored, depressed, irritable, discontented) which comes at once (comes at once, which means fast I need the effect fast, I need the miracle fast) by taking a few drinks - drinks which they see others taking with impunity (How many times Ive watched people drink, but not get drunk and Ive asked hundreds times how do they do it and they tell me that they drink 1-2 beers, after that 1-2 hours dont drink and after that continue, because they didn't want  to  get drunk, but I couldnt do it. I couldnt just take 1-2 beer and after that to stay calm and to stop drink, because of the allergy of my body). After they have succumbed to the desire again, as so many do, and the phenomenon of craving develops, they pass through the well-known stages of a spree, emerging remorseful, with a firm resolution not to drink again.(When Ive woken and saw what Ive done, or that I am in place that I dont know, with people that I dont know, Ive just made firm resolution not to drink again, but in the same day I drank again)This is repeated over and over, and unless this person can experience an entire psychic change there is very little hope of his recovery." A.A. p. xxviii  4th ed. Entire psychic change is what I need to stay sober to live my life on spiritual basis, because my power was alcohol, my rest, the only thing Ive known that gave me a little peace (effect), no matter of consequences. The alcohol gave me spiritual experience. And lately I realized that. For normal people they, too have some effect by alcohol, but for alcoholics this effect is more like a spiritual experience. Dr. Jung says that our craving for alcohol is much more craving for spirituality, craving for God.

So the Big Book talks about drinkers:

Moderate drinkers have little trouble in giving up liquor entirely if they have good reason for it. They can take it or leave it alone. (Moderate drinkers are all that people that I couldnt understand why they can have just one drink, or at party (for example) dont drink at all. Ive always wonder how are they living without drinking or drinking a little. They can drink or nor drink and they cant have problems with this. I can take alcohol, but I cant leave it alone. My mother is mderate drinker. She drinks once or twice a year. She can drink one, but she doesnt like what alcohol does to her even from one drink and she just leave it).

Then we have a certain type of hard drinker. He may have the habit badly enough to gradually impair  him physically and mentally (This is interesting statement, because it means that his physical and mental impair is as a result of his drinking. And he can dies earlier, which isnt good). It may cause him to die a few years before his time. (But)If a sufficiently strong reason - ill health , falling in love (falling in love never stopped me to drink. Even I was promissing so many times to my loved ones that I will quit, I started to hide myself, hide liquor, lying, cheating, stealing money for alcohol and so on), change of environment (I am little 21 years, so I couldnt go in other town, but I had changed schools, companies, friends, even started to go to a church and it didnt helped), or the warning of a doctor (Ive tried this one. too doctors told me to stop drinking, policeman told me, inspector told me, psychiatrist told me, psycologist told me nothing helped)-becomes operative, this man can also stop or moderate, although he may find it difficult and troublesome and may even need medical attention.

To the point:

But what about the real alcoholic? He may start off as a moderate drinker; he may or may not become a continuous hard drinker; but at some stage of his drinking career he begins to lose all control of his liquor consumption, once he starts to drink. (Allergy)

Here is a fellow who has been puzzling you, especially in his lack of control. He does absurd, incredible, tragic things while drinking.(Ive done so many things, that I was sorry for while drinking stealing, lying, cheating, sleeping with strangers and so on) He is a real Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. He is seldom mildly intoxicated. He is always more or less insanely drunk. His disposition while drinking resembles his normal nature but little. He may be one of the finest fellows in the world. Yet let him drink for a day, and he frequently becomes disgustingly, and even dangerously anti-social. He has a positive genius for getting tight at exactly the wrong moment, particularly when some important decision must be made or engagement kept. He is often perfectly sensible and well balanced concerning everything except liquor, but in that respect he is incredibly dishonest and selfish. He often possesses special abilities, skills, and aptitudes, and has a promising career ahead of him. He uses his gifts to build up a bright outlook for his family and himself, and then pulls the structure down on his head by a senseless series of sprees. He is the fellow who goes to bed so intoxicated he ought to sleep the clock around. Yet early next morning he searches madly for the bottle he misplace the night before. If he can afford it, he may have liquor concealed all over his house to be certain no one gets his entire supply away from him to throw down the wastepipe. As matters grow worse, he begins to use a combination of high-powered sedative and liquor to quiet his nerves so he can go to work. (Ive done it this a lot)Then comes the day when he simply cannot make it and gets drunk all over again. Perhaps he goes to a doctor who gives him morphine or some sedative with which to taper off. Then he begins to appear at hospitals and sanitariums.

One of the most powerful  things for me is this:

"The fact is that most alcoholics, for reasons yet obscure, have lost the power of choice in drink. Our so-called will power becomes practically nonexistent. We are unable, at certain times, to bring into our consciousness with sufficient force the memory of the suffering and humiliation of even a week or a month ago. We are without defense against the first drink."(No defense, no choice)A.A.p 24

No person likes to think they are bodily and mentally different from their fellows. Therefore, it is not surprising that our drinking careers have been characterized by countless vain attempts to prove we could  drink like other people. The idea that somehow, someday they will control and enjoy their drinking is the great obsession of every abnormal drinker. The persistence of this illusion is astonishing. Many persue it into the gates of insanity or death. A.A. p. 30

And:

When you honestly want to, you find you cannot quit entirely and, or if when drinking, you have little control over the amount you take, you are probably alcoholic. If that be the case, you may be suffering from an illness which only a spiritual experience will conquer.

This about drinking, but lets talk about life of alcoholic, when is not drinking:

We were having trouble with personal relationships, we couldnt control our emotional natures, we were prey to misery and depression, we couldnt make a living, we had a feeling of uselessness, we were full of fear, we were unhappy, we couldnt seem to be of real help to other people p. 52

 

It really is fatal illness ...

I have written in my BB some things. - I have allery (my body is sick), I have mind obsession (my mind is sick), I am not normal and I can't never be normal, I have no choice in drinking, Something more than human power is needed for me to recover.

 

 


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So my mind is killing me, because it always come obsession to drink in searching  for the effect of alcohol which when I have will come the sense of ease and comfort. My body is killing me, because I have allergy and when I start to drink I can't stop. I can't stay stopped, because I become restless, irritable and discontented and in this condition the only logial thing that I can do is to take "only few drinks", because I want to rest. And this is hell - I don't want to live this way anymore. I want new life, new me.

And something more than human power is needed for me to recover. So what's next? Second Step - Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity. So I need Power? Why I need power? Because lack of power is my dilemma. "Lack of power, that was our dilemma. We had to find a power by which we could live and had to be a Power greater than ourselves. (It is not written that I need power to stop drinking. It is written - power by which we could live)"

But where and how were we to find this Power? Well, that's exactly what this book is about. It's main object is to enable you to find a Power greater than yourself which will solve your problem. A.A p. 45 (Again it is not written power to stop drinking, but power, which will solve my problem - any kind of problems - I need generator, because obviously the alcohol cannot be generator anymore)

There are some amazing sentenses:

 ... deep down in every men (including myself and yourself), woman and child, is the fundamental idea of God ... We finally saw that faith in some kind of God was a part of our make-up, just as much as the feeling we have for a friend. And it is written: We found the Great Reality deep down within us. In other words I can seek and find God in myself. Not chair, not table, not even to put human beeing on the place of God.

And there is one question: Do I now believe or am I even willing to believe , that there is a Power greater than myself? I asked myself if I understand and realize that without God I just couldn't live. I talked before time with one alcoholic and I told him that without alcohol I can't live. And he told me that it is not about that I can't live, but it is about that I don't know how to live. And this Program learnes me how to live without alcohol, how to communicate, how to make a little steps in my life like I am still baby and I am learning to walk. To make Second Step is to be willing to have new life, to be new me, to go in unknown way of life and to have experience that I've never had before, to have feelings that I've never recognize, to have new order in my life and myself.

 

 


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I am willing to believe that there is a Power, greater than myself, which could restore me to sanity. And comes the Third Step. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him. I connect this Step with the last words of Dr. Bob - Keep it simple. It is decision to turn my thinking and my actions over to the care of God. I need to make spiritual progress not perfection. There are three ideas - I am alcoholic and could not manage my own life, no human power could have relieved my alcoholism and God could and would if He were sought. So I have to be convinced about it.

The first requirement is that we be convinced that any life run on self-will can hardly be a success. This is connected with my unmanageable life. I know that I've always run the show. Full identification with the actor. The strange part is that when I first read about actor I couldn't identificate at all. Xaxa So if I run the show, I've always be discontented. There always be a person or situation which are not what I want to be. My life runned on self-will wasn't okay, wasn't good. I want new way of life, different, so I make decision that my HP will take care of me, which with other words means that my life is not my business. Selfishness-self-centeredness is the root of my problem. This is my spiritual malady which always tells me that others are wrong, mistaken. Someone breathe wrong, someone doesn't care enough for me, someone doesn't love me the way I want to be loved, someone doesn't write me on skype and I am waiting obsessively to write me, forgetting that I have my life here and now. But I put aside my life, because of my obsessions of people. So this is not good. 

And I am driven by hundred forms of fear, self-delusion, self-seeking and self-pity. And I don't even see that in my past I've made decisions based on self, which later placed me in position to be hurt. So my troubles are of my own making. I am extreme example of self-run riot. But if I will live different life I had to be rid of selfishness or it will kill me. That's the neccessity. But I can't do it alone, because I have mind that always lies to me. Always all those voices, resentments in my head that there is no other way to get rid of except with God's help.

To continue to the new way of life I had to stop play God. I have to make decision that He will be director, He is the Principle, I am His agent. He is the Father, and I am His child (his princess xaxa) I am fired, God is hired. And this is the way  to become less interested in myself and more interested in seeing what I could contribute to life.And the point is to be conscious of His presence. And in this way I am loosing my fear of today, tomorrow or the hereafter.  I am reborn.

 

 


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MOH, When I first read the big book, it was like "Wow! They wrote a book about me!" I pretty much read the whole thing in one sitting underlining things like crazy. It is great the way the book resonates with you. I have found that it is good to know you have the symptoms and can accept the diagnosis, but it's better when you can identify with the solution as you just did.

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After that it is said: "Next we launched out on a course of vigorous action, the first step od which is a personal houscleaning ... " - Fourth Step

I am not sure if I understood my first fourth step. I am not sure that  my ex sponsor understand it, too. I think in that time in my head it was a mess and it was long - may be 2-3 months. I didn't know what I was doing. My second Fourth step was clear for me - I had to rid of the things in myself which had been blocking me. It is written that our liquor is only symptom. And I had to get down to causes and conditions. Here I started to understand deeper my spiritual malady and my obessions and to view self, manifested in different ways. I had to face my deffects of character - pride,vanity, self-pity, jealousy, suspicion, envy, selfishness, self-seeking, self-centeredness, dishonesty, anger, hate, impatience, fears, intolerance, infidelity, inconsideration, slander, prejudice and how these things affected my relationships with people, how determined my behaviour, and the harms that I made.

First things was resentment - I think it takes me a lot of time to understood what was resentmen. It comes from re-sentiry - to feel again, to replay on situation, words, behaviour over and over again. I understood that everytime that I replay something it is not true anymore. I had deep resentments at my closest people. I was blaming and judging all the time, I blamed them because of the life I had, thinking that its them fault. I wanted different family, my own apartment, my car and I had requirements for so many things. I even blamed them that they didn't make me go to courses when I was child. And I couldn't forget and couldn't forgive. With the time I understood that in the way I couldn't react and act in different way, the other person, too couldn't react and act in different way. Here there is amazing promise: When the spiritual malady is overcome, we straighten out mentally and physically. So I listed people, principles and institutions and review why I had resentment. I saw what is threatened. After that I was looking for only my mistakes. Not my blame, but my mistake, because after that I had to repair the damage if and where it is possible. I needed to see my wrong action. - that's for the harm.

About resentments - most of them disappeared with the sharing them with my sponsor. I tried to view the situation from different angle. In BB is written - entirely different angle. I saw that most of them are just my caprice. But still my resentments are dominating me - people  I resent are dominating me and determine my mood, my actions. It's like the fears. Very important for me was to see how my fears are making my behavior. For example fear of people's opinion - its makinking me nervous, to not share my ideas and opinions, to not take side and position, to not be myself.

After that harms done to others - I put them on paper. I dont know if I am lucky or not, because I am missing amazing spiritual experience, but most of the people I just can't find. I understood that it is not the idea just to say sorry, but to review how I've done the harms and if it is possible to set them right.

Important for me was to see the opposite of my deffects of character, because its giving me some kind of idea how God would want me to react.

After that I admitted to God and other human being the nature of my wrongs and the most important - how I put myself in situation to be hurt or to hurt others. To see my motives. I haven't got difficulties with this Step.

Step Six and Seven were hard for me to understand them. I didn't see them as action steps. But with the time I saw how many actions they have. First - Step six is telling me that I cannot with will power to remove my character deffects. Only God can which requires prayers. And prayers are action of the mind. Entirely ready - was hard for me, because I didn't wanted to be removed my manipulativity. I was reflecting on destructiveness of my deffects, but I didn't want some of deffects to be removed so I prayed for willingness.

Step Seven is step of action, too. Because after I pray to remove my deffects, I am asking God to give me the strenght - the opposites of my deffects to do His will. In other words - to make the opposite of what I've been doing - If I am lying - to be honest, if I am selfish - to become unselfishness and so on.

Step Eight - I made a list of all person that I harmed - Mostly I harmed my family, my brother, by grand-mother. In Step 9 I am still trying to make amends which is with my behavior. To help them with what I can, to be honest with them, to talk with them and spend time with them.

And I love Step 10 and 11. I am making inventory everynight. I have journal and everynight I review my day. I am writing to my sponsor, too. So sharing everything from the day - where I was wrong in my action, where I;ve been selfish, dishonest, have resentment and fear and why. I am trying to pray every morning and every evening. Still have troubles with meditation. I may be have to start praying for that.

And St. 12 - I am not sponsoring, but I am trying to be helpful to other alcoholics. And practice all the principles in all my affairs - still its hard for me that, too. But I have progress and I am faaar away from perfection. Trying everyday to make something new and just to live my life.

 


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Thanks, pinkchip. Just sharing my experience.

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MOH...Your understanding of the book is a thing of beauty.

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Thanks, Stepchild. Just today I saw how long it is for reading what I've write. And my plans were just to write few words. Strange thing. xax

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It's really good...I thoroughly enjoyed it.

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MOH, I used MIP for a journal before. But it's better because it's like a journal with free feedback from knowledgeable peers :) Keep on writing when you get the urge! Great post.

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