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Post Info TOPIC: Do you believe the Big Book was divinely inspired by a higher power???


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Heard this said before, wondering your thoughts, I believe it was, I mean we know man created it but I believe a HP inspired them on things to write etc...

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Yes.

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I absolutely do, yeah. How can it be that in the whole course of alcoholism in human history, that the 12 steps (OK, the original 6 steps, which then became 12) didn't come along until the 20th century? I believe it truly was/is a miracle.

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I believe in the Tao which includes everything as being divinely influenced so yes, exactly as much as my choice of socks, but with greater consequence.

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Hi bill recovered alcoholic, after studying it with my sponsor the first time. And thru other means of breaking it down. Joe and charlie tapes were good in the beginning as well. I was trold to get a red ball point pen not a crayon marker high lighter but a red ball point pen and ant where I could indentify with the thinking feelings and attempts to stop underline it. This book appeals to me. Why its because I am a real one . And after I was shown all the componants of how the disease and all its complications were . In the book and how it was not of man on how it how to come about. One selfish prick going out of his way to help another one. And in turn helping himself. Faith in action.study the book and you will be able to see where it and how that was done .I tell my guys to start at the title page. And if the understanding is reached with you.then let us know if you believe that the book is god inspired.

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Yes I do. HP works mainly through other people.  smile


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Hell yes, the purpose of the book is to get you connected with a spiritual experience!

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I believe... "Nothing, absolutely nothing happens in Gods world by mistake".

So, yes... I believe....

Just had to come to... first.

John

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Yes........ no human power could have relieved me.

They had become channels for Higher power, and HP wanted all of us to realize what we really are.




-- Edited by gladlee on Tuesday 1st of February 2011 01:31:02 PM

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I am going to have to say

Yes, Absolutely

and I don't believe in a deity in any way, shape or form, but I believe in "Divine", like I don't believe "God" is a sports fan or is into Politics, as in backs certain countries in the event of War, hell our own Oxford Group were Nazi supporters since The Nazi's were bringing Christianity back into Germany, except for that pesky bit where they were slaughtering jews, ole Frank Buchanan tried to talk Adolf out of that bit of unpleasantness actually.

But for me, all I have to do is look at the improbable string of events that brought a womanizing alcoholic nutjob that held seances and "channeled" a first century monk to write much of our literature and a drunken butt Doctor to pen the single most successful treatment for alcoholism in the history of man, responsible for more sobriety then all other movements put together, to see "The Hand of God" in that book

Step 1: Dr Silkworth
Step 2: Carl Jung
Steps 3-12: A splinter group of Christian fundamentalists practicing first century Christianity

It's either divine or a hundred monkeys typing for a hundred years typing out the entire works of William Shakespeare, which in and of itself is pretty "divine", but I always liked "coincidences are God's way of remaining anonymous"

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I'm going to be the reactionary here and say yes, BUT, the reason for that is that the 12 steps evolved directly from the six steps of the Oxford group, which are taken directly from the New Testament, which I believe IS divinely inspired. That's one of the reasons I think the 12 steps have so much power. They are in many ways merely a re-phrasing of ancient truths that have everything to do with the way we are wired as people.

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Yes, Devine introvention....to Devine inspiration...

We are all so very very very Blessed. Thanks be to GOD and his Mercy he has shown each and everyone one of us.
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10 for Yes, and 1 undecided. That's pretty stong

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11......Yes.

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wow 11 yes 0 no 1 undecided...

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I don't see the undecided

I see the
" I tell my sponsees make your own decision after you read/work it because I made mine"

but I am missing the undecided one

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Yeah...I believe it is basically an adjunct bible for the survival of alcoholics. Everything having to do with Bill Wilson, Dr. Bob and the start of AA was divinely influenced in my opinion.

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I'm gonna have to go with the crowd on this one and say yes.  Not sure who or what was behind the divine intervention, but it had to be something more than human power.

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LinBaba wrote:

I don't see the undecided

I see the
" I tell my sponsees make your own decision after you read/work it because I made mine"

but I am missing the undecided one



I guess it was a little unclear, so I didn't asume. 

 



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ive been reading that book for a couple of decades now and still get new messages and insight..a passage will leap out at me, (like a 3d movie) im amazed at the depth in that book, so ya, for sure the hand of the divine is in it in my opinion. Like any work of of art, it never gets boring

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It was as divinely inspired as the Bible, which is not at all. It was written by an arrogant and selfish man that cheated on his wife numerous times and lied about his sobriety by being hooked on psychedelics. When I hear him on tapes he comes across as a guy who thinks a lot of himself.

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aaesr wrote:

It was as divinely inspired as the Bible, which is not at all. It was written by an arrogant and selfish man that cheated on his wife numerous times and lied about his sobriety by being hooked on psychedelics. When I hear him on tapes he comes across as a guy who thinks a lot of himself.




LOL  I think we got a live one here.



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Absolutely.

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Klaatu wrote:

 

aaesr wrote:

It was as divinely inspired as the Bible, which is not at all. It was written by an arrogant and selfish man that cheated on his wife numerous times and lied about his sobriety by being hooked on psychedelics. When I hear him on tapes he comes across as a guy who thinks a lot of himself.




LOL  I think we got a live one here.

 




It's a valid point of view with a great deal of truth in it were we to switch "hooked" with "used"

His white light "God experience" happened when he was undergoing the "Belladonna treatment", he tried hallucinogenics to recreate it, he did think a lot of himself, he admitted that and battled his ego his entire life, you read what he wrote? That boy KNEW about selfish, self centered and arrogant, and he knew about it from first hand experience, and he did cheat on Lois both before and after sobriety, he kept one or two mistresses in homes he paid for actually from the proceeds of the Big Book, and he actually had a group of people that surrounded him that would kind of drag new girls away when he went to chat them up, since he actually was the person who first coined the term "13th stepping"

That to me is exactly however why it's "divine", I mean Bill was a class A "F-Up" and he put together this beautiful thing, how can you NOT see the hand of God?

 



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Wasn't disagreeing LB, I actually agree with you. I just got a kick out of it.

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I feel compassion for Bill W. Whatever the truth about him is, and I'm not saying what the truth is here, one way or another, I would just extremely dislike having my sobriety picked to bits to the extent that Bill Has. He has had to have had by far one of the most critiqued recoveries ............................eeeeeeeeeevvvvvvverrrr.

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